A Tremendous Speech.

Khandro | 08:16 Sat 15th Feb 2025 | News

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J.D. Vance's speech in Munich will go down in history as one of the best and most precient political speeches of all time, - surely ?

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Old_Geezer

They can give more military aid because they prioritise defence over other things the public could be spent on and therefore have it available.

In the past I have (I think rightfully) considered that they have the balance wrong and were overly keen on defence spending. But at times of global tension the balance point can change; but it's a pain to try to beef up military strength when it coincides with global economic stress and other budgets are already funded well below any ideal level. Which budgets are going to get the short end of the straw ?

Canary42

Trump became a multi-billionaire by inheritance - the value of which during his tenancy has increased less than the average savings account.

ToraToraTora

no he did not canary. He inherited approx $400m.

Togo

It is not just the suppression of free speech and the denial of obvious truths that are a danger but the constant misinformation stream and the silence if the truth does not meet the establishment agenda. Reform is needed.

"This constant lying is not aimed at making the people believe a lie, but at ensuring that no one believes anything anymore.
A people that can no longer distinguish between truth and lies cannot distinguish between right and wrong.
And such a people, deprived of the power to think and judge, is, without knowing and willing it, completely subjected to the rule of lies. With such a people, you can do whatever you want."
- Hannah Arendt
(14 October 1906 – 4 December 1975)

nicebloke1

It was a tremendous nodd to all the dictators, do what you like when you like.

Ellipsis

Some things to note:

* Adam Smith-Connor was mentioned by name three times in the speech

* Vladimir Zelensky was not mentioned at all

* "Values" endure ... ie the values of the USA, EU and UK twenty years ago, two years ago and now should be the same

* Vance was raised as a strict Protestant but became baptised and converted as a Catholic in 2019

It's interesting to see where his priorities lay ...

naomi24

This was about free speech, not Ukraine or Russia.

Ellipsis

It was the Munich Security Conference. He was given a podium, he used it in the way I said. As I said, it's interesting to see where his priorities lay ...

Khandro

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naomi24

Ellipsis, I know what it was. His speech didn't include what you expected but nonetheless it was valid.

Old_Geezer

It probably should have been about Ukraine but it seemed more about western freedom, problems due to invasions of immigrants from other countries, and the like.

nicebloke1

You can't beat a good smoke screen for whats really going on behind closed doors.OG

Ellipsis

Valid, yes, and a couple of weeks into the new administration, with what's going on in Ukraine and the Middle East, we heard at length about Adam Smith-Connor. His choice.

What scratches my head is why anyone thinks it was a good speech, in the circumstances. Was that really the best thing he could have spoken in public to - admonishing new NATO partners in public, rather than private; appeasing Putin; not even mentioning Zelensky; and shoehorning the abortion debate into a security conference at a time when security is paramount. It was a car crash.