Child Killers (again)

[brachiopod]

Here we are again with the tragic case of Joe Geeling.

So, if I dig a big pit, and have a can of petrol and a box of matches placed nearby - are all those who previously expressed an interest in this way of dealing with childkillers ready to light the match?

And yes, I know it is sub judice (in that there is yet to be a trial), but since when has that stopped you?

Oh, and should you petrol-bomb his parents' house while you're about it?

All answers most welcome.

[johnlambert]

Yes I would light the match and laugh while I watch him burn.

No I would'nt petrol-bomb his parents house.

clear enough for you?

[raysparx]

I don't think I would let them die as quickly as that,maybe a broomstick stuck through them and put on a spit roast,so they could die a very slow and painfull death,while we are doing away with this scum can we please also add paedos to the list?

but no wouldn't petrol-bomb the parents,they will be suffering as well as the victims

[johnlambert]

I saw people being burned alive in bosnia, belive me it's not quick and painless

[raysparx]

Ok johnlambert i'll go along with anything that rids us of this scum, also can't have been nice for anyone to have seen that

[Goodsoulette]

It's all very well and good to take the moral high ground and sniff at people who get emotionally moved by theses stories, i think its just human to want to protect our children to these extreme levels. People write these things but I doubt they mean it truely (and I am sure you are aware of that).

There are a few cases I feel where people dispose of their human rights by commiting a crime that is truely terrible and maybe, just maybe, they should be put down like we would a dog that had attacked and killed a child. I know that I would never want these people integrated into society ever again.

I really feel for parents whose children commit a crime like this, as where I can sympathise with a murdered childs parents, I can relate to how devestated I would be if my child had hurt, murdered, or abused another human being. I would blame myself to the day i died.

[libertie]

I hope to God you are not serious about standing by and laughing while another human being is burned alive, because I for one find it difficult to distinguish between the mentality of someone who could murder a child and someone who could stand by and witness the cruel death of another!!

[Drisgirl]

Well said libertie - couldnt have put it better myself.

I agree with most posters who quite rightlly say the perpetrators' family will be just as devastated.

[Dom Tuk]

Libertie I hope to god you are not serious as i find it difficult to distinguish between the mentality of someone who after reading about the cruel way that child killers find immense glee after killing innocent young humans will still feel a sense of protection to the perpetrators of such crimes from those who would not care less about what happens in our society and bask in the bizarre notion that all humankind is inherently good.

[libertie]

Sorry....but I've just re-read my post and can't seem to find the bit where I said I feel protective about child killers! Some of us can still feel disgust and horror at certain crimes without feeling the need to set fire to the people responsible and have a party while we watch the "entertainment"!!!

[Dom Tuk]

You may not have used the word protective but thats the impression i get from those who wish to give these scum a fair trial and a prison cell with TV and the hope that one day they will be released on a technicality like for eg: not being cautioned properly before interview or better still early release for good behaiviour. Also the setting fire etc may be entertainment but who said it was cruel? I still prefer release on an island and send armed bounty hunters after them and for those who wish to watch big brother style let them.

[starrs]

I don't think I could light the match to end this evil little *******'* life (assuming he is guilty) but then again if he killed a member of my family I would probably feel different.

And I can honestly say that since this boy was arrested the last thing on my mind has been the welfare of his parents, I will reserve my sympathy for the real victims of this crime.

[Supernick]

I don't even know what the prison term should be for an horrific act such as this, committed by a 14 year old child but no I don't want to laugh and watch as he burns to death, or dies in any other horrific manner.

I want him in court and experience a long time locked away, if he is found guilty.

No, I don't want him to have all the creature comforts we have.

No, I'm not somehow condoning his behaviour, because I don't want him executed by a lynch mob

[morg_monster]

I have to say I agree with Supernick. All the other posts about this kind of thing, the child killer is an adult, maybe a paedophile. Remember that this time the childkiller is himself also a child. This does give a slightly different light to these events, which usually we assume are precipitated by some perverse desire. This time it seems like pure violence. Doesn't make it any less tragic but gives me pause for thought - what must have happened to this 14 year old in his short life for him to be capable of killing one of his peers. I doubt we will ever be told the answer to this but it should be borne in mind.

In my home town two boys were stabbed to death by another. It is well known among children who went to their school and associated with them that the two boys teased and bullied the killer horrendously for a long time. He seemed to be mentally fragile, with low self esteem and he finally snapped, with awful consequences. In no way is this an excuse or means that the boys 'deserved' what happen, it is still an evil crime, however, there is sometimes a reason - at least in the killer's mind - for the events that happened.

I personally think it is really important that violent, possibly psychopathic children are helped and also studied while they are in jail - so that we can try and stop further incidents like this. At 14 behavioural patterns can still be changed, unlike a 50 year old paedophile. That doesn't mean this lad should necessarily ever be released from prison (though undoubtedly he will at some point) but surely we should at least try to reform him and help him realise the full magnitude of what he did.

[pugwash52]

Can I just remind you of the dignity and ability to forgive that Gee Walker showed to the callous murderers of her son Anthony.

There has always been tragedies, human nature being what it is, and perhaps we should all try to be a bit more understanding about it.

[hal]

have I missed something here? No one has been found guilty yet!

[surfer mike]

everyone of us are sickened and saddened about what happened to little joe, and with other such appalling crimes and its understandable that anger runs way with us sometimes..

But as awful and shocking as these crimes are, i also find the endless and mindless macho posturings about how they would like to do this and that to the perpetrator by the hang, burn and flog brigade tiresome in the extreme. and in its own way just as sick..i could understand it if the people who were saying these things personally knew these victims in some form. but these are just cheap words..

[1955]

The boy who committed this terrible act is only 14 and has learning difficulties - surely we should feel sorry for BOTH families - it is devastating for ALL concerned

[zara 4]

He may be 14 with learning difficulties but he took the life of a young boy with cerebal palsy he deserves to suffer.

[Englishbird]

Everyone is entitled to a 'fair trial'! Surely it's a corner stone of a civilised society. If you start doing away with that, then I vote we all throw the towel in now and start periodic vigilante beatings on anyone who looks funny.

Yes it's horrific and it breaks my heart that this lad who's already overcome so much should die like this. But no I don't want to burn someone for it, because there is no part of my being that could actually physically take someone else's life.

A fair trial and 'just' punishment is what is needed. The fact that our courts and prison system do not seem to dole out 'just' punishment is an entirely separate issue, and maybe the one that needs addressing.

[joko]

when we hear of horrific crimes its natural to feel anger and a desire to tear the perpetrator limb from limb and see them suffer - that is natural - but thinking about it and wishing you could do it are a world away from actually standing over the pit with a match in hand.

i think its obvious all this 'kill kill kill' stuff is just anger and letting off steam...I personally would not lose a wink of sleep if someone inflicted terrible torture on the evil monster - however if you put me in a room with him, i'd probably just punch and kick him as hard as i could....i want the swine alive to suffer his punishments...but then this isn't my child...different matter altogether...doubt i'd be able to stop myself torturing him...

i think mental torture would perhaps be more effective in hurting these men - drive them mad. cuts, burns etc heal, but a lifetime of torment would be just.

such a mix of emotions this subject brings