Milosevic funeral

[nikita**]

"As a war criminal, his body should be cremated in secret, with no ceremony or family members allowed to attend ". Unfortunately, there seems to be plenty of support in Serbia for a funeral.(Definitely won't go there for my hols)

[nikita**]

And noxulmos, when I espress an opinion which you do not agree with you become very 'sensitive'. Lets discuss - Nick Griffin - He is a leader of his party. THey follow his views - he comes into power - who are to blame? I am sorry but Milosevic was involved in race hate and i cannot support the views of his supporters. So you cannot bully me into thinking like you.

[Goodsoulette]

its a damned shame he died before he could be labelled a guilty of war crimes then maybe seemingly sensible people wouldnt defend this right.

[noxlumos]

nikita, your personal view is naturally your own, and it would be a very boring site if everyone agreed with one another, however as everyone on here knows I'm not in the least bit sensitive to people having differing opinions to me, I just like those opinions to be well thought out.

You seem to have totally missed the point that it doesn't matter what my opinion is of Milosevic or your opinion of him, we have courts to decide people's guilt. If we have already made up our minds about people's guilt before they are tried, not really much point trying them really is there?We should just sentence them according to what your belief is about their actions and your gut feeling:{

I was merely pointing out that the perception people have of an event or a person depends very much on their own experiences and ethnic background and also whether or not they were actually there during the said event.I'm amazed that you are naieve enough to not understand that he will have support in Serbia. Such is life.

I don't want to bully you into thinking like me at all, although for the record I am a Republican Irish Catholic male married to a Jewish woman, our best friends being Muslim, we have 8 children depsite both being pro choice and anti-discrimination of any kind.

I would just like to be free to express a reasoned viewpoint in any of your threads without being dogmatically settled upon for disagreeing with you.I don't think that's too much to ask, everyone else seems to manage it on their threads.

[Oneeyedvic]

Please try to remember that war crimes are charged by people who win a war. Not evrything is black and white, and not ervything you read in the paper is accurate (45minutes to war anyone?).

I am curious if you think that bombing a city filled with refugees and killing between 20 and 60,000 people (unknown as many were incinerated beyond recognition), destroying 14,000 homes, 72 schools, 22 hospitals and 18 churches is ever justified? Should the person who called for this attack be charged with war crimes?

[nikita**]

I could accuse you for being naive, hysterical, dogmatic etc. but I dont. It is ok for you to do so? All war has terrible consequences. We all know that. It is always the innocent who suffer, in silence maybe. It is the main intention of this person to get rid of a race that is sickening. And that is what i am trying to say.

[nikita**]

I think it is too in-depth subject to be discussing on the internet. We more-or-less agree on the same lines. Au

[Goodsoulette]

I am not sure but I thought he had admitted what he had done and been responsible for but he just disagreed that it was the wrong thing to do. Everyone in favour of ethnic cleansing say aye???

[Bluemukka]

Oneeyedvic - so presumabely Hitler is getting a load of bad press unjustifiably in your eyes? After all he was never tried either.

[Oneeyedvic]

Bluemukka - I did not say that - what I do say is that there are always two sides to every story, and usually only the winner gets to provide their story.

Should Bomber Harris have been tried? He ordered the bombing of thousand of civilians to win a war. Or does the end always justify the means.

Please don't get me wrong, I am not saying that BH is a war criminal and I am not saying that Hitler or Milosevic were good guys. What I am trying to do is pointing out that not everything is black and white.

As nikita says, this is probably not a subject that can be discussed on here as it is far to expansive.

[Dom Tuk]

Nikita, tarnishing an entire country or a population by what happened a decade ago (your statement 'definitely wont go there for my hols') does not do you any favours witn regards to having a a balanced and open perspevtive on any issue. Milosoveic was a person who incited racial hatred for many different reasons. he was instrumental in triggering a form of killing in which, once the ball was set rolling, everyone took part in. The Bosnians, Serbs, Kosovans, Croatians all massacred and killed their friends and neighbours. The fallout from that will eventually play out in the Uk when those who have settled here will harbour grudges for generations to come. But thins are not as black and whiote as it seems. The bad guy is the one who the ultimate winners name as the bad guy. History is written by the winners.

[Dom Tuk]

Oh come on now oneeyedvic, that was done in the name of good against evil, in the name of sanity against savages, in the name of civilisation against anarchy. It was a crusade and the gods were for it. It was an eternal battle against the forces of evil. so how can there ever be a case against it. Ask Humphreys

[Oneeyedvic]

Dom-Tuk - oh sorry, didn't realise it was good versus evil ;-)

[stevie_c2it]

Vic, if it�s any consolation, the points you�ve made are logical, rational and well made. I sympathise with your final comment about the subject being too expansive to discuss on this forum, but I don�t accept you really believe it. I can however, appreciate that you may find it too daunting a task to convince people, who perhaps (understandably) are reacting emotionally, and illogically, at hearing you advancing a balanced view, and falling (deliberately or not) to grasp the simple premise that you are presenting; People on both sides of a conflict do bad things, but usually those on the winning side are f�ted as heroes while the others, are recorded as villains.

My view is that Milosovic would have been (deservedly) convicted of being a war criminal. However, it is perfectly reasonable to expect and allow his supporters, and more importantly his family, to attend a funeral if they choose. Any thing less would serve to engender a feeling of martyrdom among his supporters, and give credence to the notion that he was unfairly treated.