Harmonsworth Riot

[anotheoldgit]

What should be done to the failed asylum seekers that have rioted at Harmonsworth, Britain's largest Immigration detension centre?

Should they be made to live in the conditions they have now made for themselves?

Should they now be sent back from where they have come from immediately?

And in future once they have failed in their bid to stay in this country. Should they not be sent back immediately? There would then be no need for these expensive centers, where they hang around on full board, at the taxpayers expence and the lawers get fat fighting appeal after appeal on their behalf, also at our expence.

[bigmalc]

Why don't you find yourself a nice partner, have a cup of tea and calm down.

Asylum seekers are not going to destroy your lovely English town, nor are they going to take your job, marry your sister etc etc etc.

Cancel the BNP membership, tell the paper shop to stop delivering the Telegraph, go for a nice long walk and take a deep breath. See how pleasant life can be if you try?!

[sp1814]

Come now Bigmalc - let's not jump to conclusions...people sometimes have absolutely valid reasons for rioting...being forced to watch Strictly Come Dancing rather than The X Factor for instance.

Seriously though...anotheoldgit - can you post a link to the story. Did this happen recently? Haven't read anything in the papers about it, so I don't know the background.

[Carby]

We should shoot them all. Shoot any that try and get in our country!

[anotheoldgit]

Thanks for the only sensible answer so far sp1814.
Surprised you have not come across the story though. Hope the link works.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6194 410.stm

[bigmalc]

Yes Carby! You're right!

Wow, what a visionary you are! Perhaps you and anotheoldgit would like to come over for dinner on Friday. I've got a friend from the Central African Republic and a few from Brazil. I'm sure they'd love to hear what you have to say! You could talk to some real life foreigners! Imagine that actually talking to them instead of just shooting them!

[bigmalc]

I'm sorry to hear that anotheoldgit. Perhaps you'd consider moving abroad? I mean let's face it, this place has gone to the dogs.
Everyone knows that there was no crime before we allowed people to enter Britain. I certainly can't remember any riots taking place in British prisons between British screws and British prisoners. I can't even recall a single murder committed by a British person, nor any rape for that matter!
I just wish that all these bloody foreigners would get lost so that we can return to the utopia in which we used to live!

[gina32]

if this country had anything about it we wouldnt have to have detention centres cos we would have immigrants her in the first place, where my husband works they have had to change the hours they work because the immigrants who have taken our jobs wernt happy with them!!!! what is going on?????

[gina32]

correction to the above, we wouldnt have

[bigmalc]

This is great!

I have been looking for an excuse to leave Britain for ages and now I have it!
I don't want to share the same air as hypocrites who pretend to uphold the values of a free society whilst shouting from the rooftops that their 'kind' are the only ones who are entitled to it. So thank you for confirming for me what I had suspected for a while. That Britain is indeed going to the dogs but not because of immigrants. It is because of what lay here already in our greedy, selfish and Thatcherised society. That is what is manifested in your bigoted rhetoric.

So, thanks for the excuse folks and enjoy living in a police state. I'll send you a postcard!

[adar]

have a laff at this

http://www.pm-p.com/item_default.asp?catid=137 7&itemid=1175

how on earth does this happen?

[johnizere]

don't forget to write, malc.....

[Le Chat]

Perhaps bigmalc would hold a different opinion if his job and life had been negatively affected by immigrants. I trust he is speaking from experience as he is so "right" about what he is saying. He has the attitude of an inverted ward minter!!

[vehelpfulguy]

I get so annoyed when people like bigmalc get so hysterical when someone suggests that immigration is causing problems.

They make all sorts of stupid statements about "no crime before immigrants etc".

We DO have a right to be concerned.

Did you know that 85% of "hole in the wall" credit card crime is done by Romanians.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6104828.stm

Did you know that the police have an organization that does nothing else but try to solve Black gun shootings, called operation trident.

http://www.met.police.uk/scd/units/trident.htm

And here, in some areas a TENTH of all crime is carried out by Eastern European immigrants.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-233 72964-details/Eastern%20European%20immigrants% 20carry%20out%20tenth%20of%20crime/article.do

So we DO have a right to be concerned.

It does not HAVE to be like this.

We CAN control who comes here (Australia do, so can we).

But our weak, lazy, badly run governments (both main parties) have sat back and allowed about HALF A MILLION illegal immigrants to come here.

We have also allowed over HALF A MILLION people from eastern europe to settle here, some who already have major crimes to their name in their own country.

I am not saying all immigrants are bad, but our pathetic policies have allowed us to be home to thousands of people who we do not want here and are making our life hell.

[sp1814]

May I suggest that people who espouse views such as:

"No they will not marry our sisters, but they would rape them given half a chance"

don't need to join the BNP...as this organisation wouldn't be radical enough for them.

anotheoldgit. I come from an immigrant family and as far as I can tell, none of us have raped anyone, let alone your sister.

Do you think me, my father, mother, sister and young nephews are an exception, or do you think our 'rape gene' will kick in, sometime in the near future?

[saintpeter48]

The point is that we Brits put up with this sort of thing where as other countries dont! Stop them in their tracks, send them packing I say, enough is enough, we are a small island and one day will be full up, no room, no housing, no jobs, wake up for gods sake. Now I suppose you lot will call me a racist!!

[bigmalc]

Firstly, I'd like to respond by pointing out that if ten percent of crime is carried out by Eastern European immigrants 'in some areas', it follows that ninety percent is carried out by other groups in society.
When there are mass migratory movements, trends nearly always show, that people tend to group together in small pockets in order to ease into the society, surrounded by those from a familiar culture (for example the enormous British expat community in Malaga). This being the case, it follows that there will be 'some areas' that have a higher, statistical proportion of crime committed by certain groups. It would also be true, then, to say that there are 'some areas' where a tenth of all crime is committed by Afro-Carribeans or Caucasian men. There are lies, damn lies and statistics.
As for immigrants 'stealing' jobs. I mean honestly. If you live in a global capitalist society, it is inevitable that the differences in exchange rates will cause economic migration. I work with a man from Poland. He started off here as a Kitchen Porter (or dishwasher) on the minimum wage. He worked more hours and put up with more bother than anyone else in the place but he still worked harder than any of us. He remained there longer than any of the British guys who came and went (and sometimes didn't show up) because they thought the work was beneath them. I asked him what he did in Poland before he came here and it turns out he has a degree and was a chemical engineer. So, just to clarify, here is a man who has given up an infinintley more rewarding job in his native country, to scrub dishes in a restaurant for the likes of you and me because the minimum wage pays THREE TIMES the amount he would get in Poland.

[bigmalc]

If it was the other way round (if Poland had a stronger currency) I'd be on the next plane to go and work there for a few years. If you have lost your job, I'm sorry. But it can't have been that rewarding a position, because I've seen little evidence that suggests that most immigrants do anything other than the things we don't want to do. Even if you did have a good job, the chances are that the person doing it now is being paid a hell of a lot less to do it.
There are plenty of jobs out there, so instead of moaning, get out there and get one....... you can bet your life that an immigrant would.

[Bazile]

.... send them packing - saintpeter48 ?
come , come, now - how could any one accuse you of being racist ?

For the purposes of clarification and the avoidance of doubt - would you send ALL immigrants here in the country , packing ?

Tell you what - here is a solution that would solve the imigrant problem .
Why dont we find a remote island some where - we could add to the size by land reclamation - send all imigrants from the country packing , to this island - leave them there for a century or so - i'm sure by then it would have evolved into a nice country .

Afterall , there is precedent for this idea - look at australia

[bigmalc]

Or Britain? We are after all a hybrid nation of immigrants. Some of us just can't handle it.

I have to say, I think ththe issue has become a bit muddled again. There is, of course, a huge difference between, legal immigration and illegal immigration and asylum seeking. But, unfortunately, everyone seems to get tarred with the same brush.