so much for the right to bare arms.......

[webbo3]

Another shooting in America and by a 14 yr old who was later killed by the police, is'nt it time the gun laws were changed in the U.S.???



Dave.

[buildersmate]

Yes, but it won't happen.
P.S. I bare my arms every sunny day on the building-site.

[jake-the-peg]

You realise it was all a dyslexic error - the founding fathers were actually trying to enshrine the right to arm bears.

Of such things is history made!

[B00]

Dammit, jake the peg beat me to it :-(

[China Doll]

I often bare my arms.

Especially in summer.

[B00]

Not baring mine, one of em's hairy :-(

[dot.hawkes]

B00 you could be a bare hairbear bunch all on your ownsome lol

[jake-the-peg]

Seriously though gun control in the US is not a logical issue but an emotional one, it would take a hugely emotional issue to change attitudes.

Yet there's been so many emotional cases like this that it's hard to image a case emotional enough to change attitudes.

[China Doll]

How about shooting the muppets who want their guns prised from their cold dead hands? Well they did say we could take them then.

I get so angry at the gun laws in America that I just can't speak on them with any sense of rationality I'm afraid so I think I'm going to have to (dis)gracefully bow out of this one.

[jake-the-peg]

Remember

"Guns don't kill people....Heavily armed morons do!"

[dot.hawkes]

I think it is now dated and they cling to the constitutional right to bear arms like it would make sense. (I did get the right bear there didn't I?)

[China Doll]

And their children when the heavily armed morons are too busy living their respectable lives to lock the things away or put them out of reach!!

I'm sorry, I really am done now.

Bl00dy gun toating yahoos.

[Gromit]

As long as I can remember there has been a steady stream of such tragedies in the US and there is not the will to do anything about. That is the American's problem, but I feel that the apparent gun crime in cities in the UK is related to attitudes in America, with movies and music glamourising guns, and that is more of a concern.

[China Doll]

I'm still looking for a gun to go with my shoes. It's the seasons must have accessory.

[jno]

you shouldn't judge Americans by Hollywood, Gromit. I've always found on my trips there (most recently last week) that they seem much less taken in by their own popular culture than we are. They don't drive along freeways sideswiping people - they are courteous drivers who drive much slower than Britons. (Instead of roundabouts they mostly have things like 4-way stop signs where people enter intersections in the order they arrive - and everyone does it.) You don't see the binge-drinkers you do in Britain - their alcohol laws are quite strict. They aren't in your face; they're some of the politest and most helpful people I've ever seen. And I've never seen anyone bear arms at all. Obviously I haven't seen everybody; and yes, there are a lot more murders there than here (because, I think, wealth is distributed much mroe unevenly); but we'd do well to remember that Hollywood is a fiction machine.

[Gromit]

jno

I am sure they don't but they are selling a fantasy. And idiots buy into that fantasy.

I hope you told your American chums that we don't all live in castles and bumble like Hugh Grant.

[jno]

everyone has idiots, though. I have a couple myself, to deter Jehovah's Witnesses. I don't think, in general, society should dumb itself down just to keep the idiots in line. As far as I can tell, Americans are just as shocked and upset about their occasional massacres as we are about, say, Dunblane.

[Gromit]

jno

After Dunblane we rushed in new laws. Not very good ones but it was a reaction. The Americans have to accept their masscares on a regular basis.

[Stu in USA]

I live in the USA and their gun laws make me sick. Here's a good example : A few years ago large water pistols were popular and kids sprayed each other as kids do, except some took real exception and shot back with real guns, so it was decided to ban the water pistols!!!!

[ruby27]

Canada has roughly 1 million handguns while the United States has more than 76 million. There are other factors affecting murder, suicide and unintentional injury.
Murder rate without guns in the US is roughly equivalent (1.8 times) to that of Canada, the murder rate with handguns is 14.5 times the Canadian rate.

I know statistics can be manipulated and the demographics of Canada and the USA are not the same but, surely when its 14.5 times more likely than your usual 1 .8 times more likely way of murdering - that's got to be a reason to stop and think - is having guns such a good idea.

[buildersmate]

Stu - a good example of how not applying Root Cause Analysis to a problem leads to a wrong conclusion.