2 prisons full of foreigners

[gina32]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/pressass/20071024/tuk -two-jails-filled-with-foreigners-6323e80_1.ht ml

why not just send them back instead of having to pay for them to stay here

[Gromit]

It's PC gone mad!

This countrys gone to the dogs - I'm going to emigrate.

[Pippa68]

Because they commited a crime in this country and have to be punished or rehabilitated.

If they are sent 'back home' they get away with allsorts, I tell you.

[SKA]

Hmm no wonder the prisions are getting so full but I suppose if they commited a crime they should serve time. Afterwards are they sent back?

[gina32]

well i suppose its one way of staying here and getting housed, clothed and fed and not have to work for it

[MrBen5]

Hmmm, i said about this months ago and a lot of you said i was talking rubbish. Now the report has finally been published.
I will accept written apologies only please from those that always say i am wrong.
Right, well as i said before. A lot of them commit a crime here because they know prison life here is better than where they live.
I still think they should serve time in an English jail if they have committed a crime in England. But they should be deported as soon as they are released.
I know this wouldnt solve the overcrowding situation, but that is where purpose built jails should be built for foreign prisoners...

[Haggisdj]

They said on 5 Live this morning that it was to assist with the deportation when their sentences were completed. There were Immigration Officers on site working towards this end on a full-time basis.

After the fiasco earlier wen immigrants were not deported when they should have been this kinda makes sense to me... if it works.

[IggyB]

as i understood it these prisons were the first step in getting deported after their punishment / rehabilitation has been served. As for sending them straight home, this would not be justice would it - say a foreign national attacked your family then just got send to another country where they could continue living their life as normal, surely you would not see this as a punishment or a deterrent to other criminals.

having a centralized prison where those that will be deported are held seems like a good idea - it will be cheaper to provide the neccessary staff in a few locations than spread all over the country.

[gina32]

i dont think they should go home and carry on as if nothing happened they should be sent home to carry out the sentence in the home land, we have prisoners being released early here because of no room, i cant see the sense in it

[Pippa68]

That doesn't make sense, Gina..what about British criminals in other countries ~ surely it would have to be the same for them..they will have to come back home and serve a sentence here.

Then you have the problem of the sentence being totally different to the sentences given out to criminals here..

Not to mention the fact that this wouldn't solve prison overcrowding, would it?!

[gina32]

surely that depends on just how many british people are in prison abroad doesnt it

[Pippa68]

Yes it does. Considering the amount of other countries there are besides us, I wouldn't mind betting if your idea were to come into force our prisons could be even more full..

Anyone have any stats?

[Gromit]

gina32

You are sending out an open invitation to criminals all over the world:

Commit as many crimes as you like in the UK and if you are caught, you will not be punished.

Not the best suggestion I have read today.

[sambro]

I say punish them and then get rid. I begrudge the money spent on them, but just to send them back is not justice for the victim.
Its time for a reality check in this country with regard to immigration. When is this or any government going to draw the line? And I wish they would stop burying their heads in the sand, and get control of the situation. The problem is that if one of them sticks their head above the parapet they get shouted down and labelled "racist. xenophobic or facist". And the PC brigade have a field day with them.

[gina32]

grommit if you bother reading my posts you will see that i said send them back to continue the sentence in the home land

[Gromit]

So, if you get caught drinking alcohol in Saudi Arabia, you get sent back to the UK to stay at her Majestys pleasure for 5 years?

[Supernick]

Precisely Gromit. I was just about to post the same thing. You can't sentence people here, then ship them off to another country and say "Excuse me, you might have a completely different set of rules and laws, but could you uphold British justice and sentencing in this instance?"
Imagine a British citizen sentenced to death in the US and then shipped back here for us to execute as laid out in their sentence.

[Pippa68]

That was what I was trying to say too, Supernick & Gromit.

Do they serve the same sentence in their homeland or have a retrial? totally unworkable.

[Supernick]

And you can forget about sending them home before trial as well. Who's going to pay to have all the witnesses, experts etc out there. And I imagine that a foreign country would take a very dim view of paying to incarcerate someone who hadn't even comitted a crime in their country. You'd end up paying an absolute fortune, probably vastly more than to send them to prison here.

[curiosity]

Automatically a set part of the punishment should be deportation on date of due release, escorted between authorities.