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Is the proposal to give 6 points to people caught doing above 45 in a 30 zone a good idea? http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_ style/driving/article2836449.ece 57 or above on a 40mph road, or above 97 on a 70mph would be the same
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But when more drivers are banned the govt will moan that they are loosing out on petrol revenue, road tax, etc etc.
if a million people people get banned insurance will go up. Glad to see the govt is putting something wothwhile at the top of their list pity it couldn't focus upon blatent drug dealing as I,ve rung the old bill 3 times about a cannabis factory in our street and has anyone been out....
if a million people people get banned insurance will go up. Glad to see the govt is putting something wothwhile at the top of their list pity it couldn't focus upon blatent drug dealing as I,ve rung the old bill 3 times about a cannabis factory in our street and has anyone been out....
I do think they need to re-examine the totting up procedure.
The idea of giving points is to serve as a warning to drivers to change their behaviour but you can currently get 3 points for each camera you hit on a journey and get 3 points for each without ever getting a warning.
With 6 points you could hit 2 camera in quick sucession and go from zero to a disqualification which totally contradicts the entire purpose of points.
The idea of giving points is to serve as a warning to drivers to change their behaviour but you can currently get 3 points for each camera you hit on a journey and get 3 points for each without ever getting a warning.
With 6 points you could hit 2 camera in quick sucession and go from zero to a disqualification which totally contradicts the entire purpose of points.
Agreed Jake but in this instance I'd say it was a punishment for going 15 miles over the speed limit rather than a warning.
If they'd said anyone going over 30 and you were clocked going at 35 then I might have some sympathy but as it is I think it seems quite fair.
I should probably add at this point that I've never learnt to drive.
If they'd said anyone going over 30 and you were clocked going at 35 then I might have some sympathy but as it is I think it seems quite fair.
I should probably add at this point that I've never learnt to drive.
If you are driving consistantly badly on your entire journey then a ban doesn't sound that unreasonable. I have tried to find an example of your banned in a day scenario, and though possible it would appear to be very very rare.
By the beginning of April this year, 1.3 million drivers were to find themselves with a grand total of 9 points on their licence. A figure which has risen exponentially from 200,000 in 2005. That means 1.3 million people will be watching their speed that more closely at the moment, which can only be a good thing.
By the beginning of April this year, 1.3 million drivers were to find themselves with a grand total of 9 points on their licence. A figure which has risen exponentially from 200,000 in 2005. That means 1.3 million people will be watching their speed that more closely at the moment, which can only be a good thing.
I don't think you need to be a driver to have a valid opinion though China. As a pedestrian you have a perfect right to expect to be safe on the pavement and also to be able to cross at lights etc without some speeding idiot trying to beat the lights and mowing you down while they're at it.
I don't speed on purpose, but there are times when I'm distracted and have caught myself going over the limit, and were I caught at that moment I would deserve to be fined etc. I'm in charge of my car and my driving, if I break the law and get caught then I face the consequences. I don't see how anyone can honestly think they should get away with it.
I don't speed on purpose, but there are times when I'm distracted and have caught myself going over the limit, and were I caught at that moment I would deserve to be fined etc. I'm in charge of my car and my driving, if I break the law and get caught then I face the consequences. I don't see how anyone can honestly think they should get away with it.
At present drivers are offered fixed penalties (�60 and three points) only if their speed is not excessive. The Association of Chief Police Officers� (ACPO) guidelines suggest that fixed penalties should be offered (in relation to the prevailing speed limit) up to the following speeds:
20mph � 35
30mph � 50
40mph � 66
50mph � 76
60mph � 86
70mph � 96
Above these speeds and a summons is issued. Magistrates� sentencing guidelines for speeds immediately in excess of the above table are a fine of one week�s income and either 4, 5 or 6 points or a ban of up to 56 days. So the law already provides for a disqualification (under �totting up�) after only two offences, and in fact can involve a ban for a single offence alone.
The proposal mentioned seems to be a Fixed Penalty version to encompass some of the current arrangements (albeit with some minor changes in the thresholds).
The present system does contain some anomalies. To take the 70mph limit as an example, a fixed penalty is usually offered up to 96mph, but the Magistrates� guidelines provide for a more serious penalty (4 points, or a 42 day ban plus a fine of one week�s wages) at 91mph.
Even with the relatively generous limits provided by the ACPO, an enormous number of speeding offences still have to be processed through the courts. This proposal will ensure swifter processing and free up court time.
20mph � 35
30mph � 50
40mph � 66
50mph � 76
60mph � 86
70mph � 96
Above these speeds and a summons is issued. Magistrates� sentencing guidelines for speeds immediately in excess of the above table are a fine of one week�s income and either 4, 5 or 6 points or a ban of up to 56 days. So the law already provides for a disqualification (under �totting up�) after only two offences, and in fact can involve a ban for a single offence alone.
The proposal mentioned seems to be a Fixed Penalty version to encompass some of the current arrangements (albeit with some minor changes in the thresholds).
The present system does contain some anomalies. To take the 70mph limit as an example, a fixed penalty is usually offered up to 96mph, but the Magistrates� guidelines provide for a more serious penalty (4 points, or a 42 day ban plus a fine of one week�s wages) at 91mph.
Even with the relatively generous limits provided by the ACPO, an enormous number of speeding offences still have to be processed through the courts. This proposal will ensure swifter processing and free up court time.
It is very easy to prove that since the introduction of Speed Cameras our roads are safer>
"The decline in the casualty rate, which takes into account the volume of traffic on the roads, has been much steeper. In 1964 there were 240 casualties per 100 million vehicle kilometres. By 2005 this had declined to 55 per 100 million vehicle kilometres."
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id =1208
So despite their being far more cars on the roads, deaths have significantly reduced. Speed Cameras cannot take the whole credit for the decline, but has part of a whole series of safety measures, to vehicles, road design and legislation, our roads are safer now than they have ever been.
"The decline in the casualty rate, which takes into account the volume of traffic on the roads, has been much steeper. In 1964 there were 240 casualties per 100 million vehicle kilometres. By 2005 this had declined to 55 per 100 million vehicle kilometres."
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id =1208
So despite their being far more cars on the roads, deaths have significantly reduced. Speed Cameras cannot take the whole credit for the decline, but has part of a whole series of safety measures, to vehicles, road design and legislation, our roads are safer now than they have ever been.
This is my point Gromit - "banned in a day" is very rare now but it won't be if it goes to 6 points.
I've had 3 SP30's in 25 years of driving 2 of them were 5 years ago when I was caught by two seperate cameras on the same bypass - they were about 5 miles apart.
Personally I wasn't that far over the limit that I'd have invoked 6 points but it shows that there are circumstances where it can happen.
As for China's point that you would be being punished for speeding that fast - it's a fair point but in that case you should get an immediate ban for being that far over the limit.
Take it to it's logical extreme - 2 cameras 10 yards apart - same offense?
I'd suggest that you could be fined for each offense but a second set of points could not be added until you'd been sent a NIP for the first
I've had 3 SP30's in 25 years of driving 2 of them were 5 years ago when I was caught by two seperate cameras on the same bypass - they were about 5 miles apart.
Personally I wasn't that far over the limit that I'd have invoked 6 points but it shows that there are circumstances where it can happen.
As for China's point that you would be being punished for speeding that fast - it's a fair point but in that case you should get an immediate ban for being that far over the limit.
Take it to it's logical extreme - 2 cameras 10 yards apart - same offense?
I'd suggest that you could be fined for each offense but a second set of points could not be added until you'd been sent a NIP for the first
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