Most crowded country in Europe

[Lonnie]

Its Official,
England is now the most crowded country in Europe.

My question is,
Why were border controls abolished in the first place?.

I have my own thoughts on this, but i'd like to read what other ABers have to say first.

Thanks.

[paulos66]

Theland, as your god never listens to your concerns why not try another one - Allah is all ears

[naomi24]

I agree with Theland. Uncontrolled mass immigration does have a detrimental effect on this country. We need immigration, but it's sheer madness not to monitor it, and it's sheer madness to allow people in who contribute nothing to society.

[Theland]

paulos - My God always listens to my concerns.
If I ask Him for something in prayer, there are one of three answers. No, Yes, or Yes but not yet. I am content with that.
Allah is simply a demon.

[jno]

sorry if I didn't answer the question clearly enough, Lonnie, but border controls haven't been 'abolished' at all. They have been relaxed with regard to some European countries, on a reciprocal basis. The British may travel to other countries, buy property and work there, as freely as Europeans may come to Britain. Britain also has a long-standing tradition of allowing refugees into the country, on the basis of humanitarian concern for those from less fortunate countries; I don't know the figures but I suspect this has been greatly tightened, not relaxed further. And there are immigrants from the former British empire, exercising the freedom to invade that our own forefathers displayed towards their countries; which seems only fair to me.

[Theland]

What's fair jno? Should I and my kids feel guilty about slavery as well?

[sp1814]

There's something in this thread that I have to query...for what purpose would any political party in this country want to change the whole 'face of Britain'?

Let's say it was true that the Labour Gov wanted to abolish border controls and fundamentally change Britain...why?

Why would they want to do that?

I honestly don't understand why they would want to even try that, knowing that Middle England would chuck them out of power the first chance they got!

[kwicky]

Extra population is not the only problem affecting England. Take land mass. It was officially reported that money is being reduced to prop up our sea defences and let the tides invade our weak defences flowing into the fields, fresh water wetlands, towns and cities. Suppose we lost 10' of our coastline every year imagine the thousands of acres that will be consumed by the sea?

[Goodsoulette]

Yikes, Theland, you are a Christian??????

My friend is getting married to a Mauritian man who has a sister living here but he can't even get a visa to visit his fiancee. She is capable of sponsering him when he gets here, she owns her own house outright but instead she has to sell up and move over there. He's a carpenter and fluent in English where as she works in a shop and doesnt speak French.

[Lonnie]

Jake,
I wasn't looking to have anyone necessarily agree with me, but of course, if someone had, it would've been nice, we'er all individuals, with different points of views, I posted, and gave mine, and was asking for others views on the question, which, for you, I will reproduce, then I would like you to tell me it wasn't what I asked.

Theland,
I should've thanked you before for giving your views, but i'm doing it now,
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Its Official,
England is now the most crowded country in Europe.

My question is,
Why were border controls abolished in the first place?.
I have my own thoughts on this, but i'd like to read what other ABers have to say first.

[Lonnie]

Okay, I stand corrected, Border Contols haven't been 'officially' abolished, but as I said earlier, they have been relaxed to such an extent, as to be virtually non-existant.

jno, I take your point about Brits going abroad, but forgive me, I wasn't talking about other countries, so I won't address that issue, maybe someone would like to make a seperate post about that.
As for the Former colonies, to a certain extent your right, but there must come a time when enough is enough, and the goverment says stop, or should we allow, lets say 50% of Indians presently living in India, (a former colony) to upsticks and come here?.

paulos,
I have to say it, this post is not about religion, so please leave it out, and just maybe, you could give Theland an apology, that would be nice.

sp,
A good question, and I answered in part earlier, (digging my own grave here, but I will persist)

The UK, since 1997, has to all intents and purposes, been ruled by an almost all Scottish Goverment, except for a few incompetants and yes men.
Prescott said there's no end of immigrants this country can take.
Scotland has always had closer ties to Europe than England.
Since its conception, Scotland has always wanted to go into Europe, England never has.
By flooding England with Immigrants, Legal and iIllegal, it won't be that much longer before the English are a minority, and it'll be easier to take them in.

Failed Asylum seekers, how many go back?, some, but very few,
Illegal immigrants, how many go back?, some, but very few.
With both of the above, they get lost in the system, and in too many cases, are never found again.

There was talk a few years ago, of giving illegals the vote, didn't come to anything, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was raised again if this Goverment wins the next election.

ps,
I was talking about

[Lonnie]

Sorry, too much in the last post,

In my original post, I was referring to England, not Britain.

[NikkiB]

Immigration is not a bad thing - IF you can choose who you are allowing in. In the early 1990's, my grandparents, of British heritage, moved to Australia in order to enjoy their retirement in sunnier climes. They had to jump through hoops to prove their finances were in first class order etc and happily complied as to them it was the price to pay for settling in another country.
Why can't that be done here? Why do we fail to discern between those with a work ethic and those who cannot or will not work? Why won't we deport those who are subsequently found to be lazy or criminal? The world, sadly, is full of hard-luck stories. Why must we be burdened to support foreign ones for the rest of their lives just because they had the guile to land here without permission?

[sp1814]

Lonnie

Not sure if I could agree with you on question of the rate of immigration.

I don't have the exact figures to hand, but I'm fairly sure that the percentage of 'Briton who were born outside the UK' is still something like 5.5% of the whole nation.

That figure has been steadily rising since the late 70s, but only by tiny amounts.

It would take a few hundred years before UK born Brits were outnumbered at current rates.

[Lonnie]

I wouldn't argue on that sp, I don't have the figures also, its the present rate of immigration, legal and illegal that worries me, but again, its only England i'm talking about, I know the other Btitish countries have problems, but not on the same scale.

But these are my views, i'm still waiting to here other views on why England now is the most crowded country in Europe.

Looks to me like most of the respondees on this post are happy to take my views apart, which is their right, I have no problem with that, but are reluctant to put their views on the question in print..

[Theland]

If we want a big global melting pot, then we have to be prepared to live nearer to the level of the rest of the world, and if that means families sharing houses, as is happening here already, then que sera!
What galls me is the NIMBY's who are all PC when it comes to immigration, but fail to mention if THEIR kids have just had their noses pushed out of the housing market, including rental. Added to that, if the rest of the world are used to casual agency work, then that is the way forward for all of us, whether we like it or not, the dilution is one way only.

[Theland]

So the vision for the future, is being housed two to three families to a house, and those working will be casual agency workers with no job security, and therefore even less prospects of ever getting a place of their own. Even the comfortable owner occupier may think that they are unaffected by this grim scenario, until the house next door gets sold to three foreign families of fruit pickers and casual labourers.
Can we blame the immigrants? Certainly not, we would do the same in their shoes wouldn't we?
But we are letting the system get out of hand.
And what if they don't like Morris dancers, fish and chips, and "Carry On " films?
We're doomed I tell you!

[Le Chat]

Theland. I live in a very wealthy area of Southport called Birkdale, near to The Royal Birkdale Golf Course. One of the roads is full of the most wonderful, old Victoria houses and the area is really lovely. However, we have a 'property developer' in Southport (of Egyptian descent) who is buying up old victorian houses, with their many rooms and renting them out to immigrants. This has happened in one particular road near to my house . A large house has been rented to several immigrant families and the house next door was put up for sale and has been bought and sold a few times, when the residents get fed up with the goings on of their neighbours. So you are right when you talk about 'the house next door'.

[funkymoped]

i used to be proud of being English !!!
:-(

[Theland]

Le Chat - Are yes, Birkdale. I was a frequent visitor to Freshfield a few stops down the line, taking my kids to the beach and pine woods. A beautiful area. Full of football stars now I believe, and John Moores used to live there as well.
When your local doctors surgery starts putting out multi lingual pamphlets, you know you have joined the club.

[Bazile]

Le Chat

Why dont you start buying up some of these lovely houses yourself , rent them to indigenous tenants ; and stop these foreigners 'spoiling' your lovely postcode area.

For Christ sake man / woman , show some ' Blue Sky' thinking , here .