Islam / Scientology / Brainwashing

[flipnflap]

Islam / Scientology / Brainwashing...isn't it all basically the same thing?

[SRH]

Will answer your question tomorrow - just need to check with my guru Tom Cruise what the right answer is before I reply...

[Booldawg]

Yes, and the streets will flow with the blood of the non-beleivers. Each religion epxeriences a high-point in fundamentalism; remember Islam is 400 years younger than Christianity. In real terms Islam is in the 1600s, scientology even younger. They are still crying 'heresy' and 'blasphemy' - it'll soon wear off :-)

[kempie]

Have you purposefully omitted Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism etc. from your list?

[flipnflap]

I don't accept that Christianity and Judaism are as serious in terms of brainwashing. Others maybe. In the case of Islam, seems to me its followers mainly comprise A) people born into Muslim families - in which case so much for individuality, B) disillusioned folk looking for answers in life - who'd be well advised to keep looking, and C) people from non-Muslim families trying to rebel and say FU, not unlike Princess Di in her final years. I doubt Scientology will ever be taken seriously with all the publicity it gets (aside from its actual foundation beliefs), so why is Islam not just taken seriously but threatening to take over the UK? It's so obviously bad news, so why ARE we letting it happen?

[Oneeyedvic]

Christianity is not about brainwashing? Have you seen the Christian missionaries in Africa?

Judaism? Ever heard of Israel - a place that was 'promised' to the Jews in a religious book?

[SRH]

I think Islam gives disillusioned youngsters (men!) a sense of belonging, especially if they are living in an alien culture (such as new immigrants to the UK).

It's far easier to follow a rule book than think for yourself.

I've plenty of Muslim friends, so don't think all Muslims are radical, but I do think those that are fundamentalist are weak and find it easier to follow what someone is telling them.

Modern (and the original) Christianity is totally different. A true Christian follows the teachings of Jesus and not a dogma laid down by a 'church'. And Jesus always encouraged free-thinking and action. And he stated that the most important teaching was 'love one another'. He didn't add 'only if they follow my teachings too'. True Christianity encourages you to question theology and question why you believe what you believe, not follow blindly.

What value does belief have if you just follow a doctrine and don't understand why you are following it? I fear that Islam stiffles free-thinking, which is, in effect, brainwashing.

[bednobs]

i completely agree with oneyedvic - two friends of mine recently went to be missionairies in africa and i went on the website of the missionay and scared myself stupid for them - i completelty believe it sounds like a cult!

[NikkiB]

I don't think Islam or Scientology are the sole culprits here. All religions brainwash.

[flip_flop]

Scientology is not a religion. It is a cult.

I mean, fer gawds sake, supposedly intelligent people believe in a 'religion' dreamt up by a sci-fi author just 50 years ago which states we are descended from aliens.

Hubbard must be absolutely ******* himself laughing that he's managed to dupe a load of idiots into believing this old pony.

[jake-the-peg]

Yes, next thing you know they'll be claiming to turn wine into blood!

[flip_flop]

Oh I agree Jake, I think all religion is a load of old hokum. It never ceases to amaze me that people actually belive that there is a greater being.

They are delusional.

[Gromit]

Islam, Scientology, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism etc. is all basically brainwashing.

The indoctrination begins on very young and impressionable children, with the willing participation of their parents, teachers and clerics etc.

And the brainwashing at school is paid for by the tax payer.

[Loosehead]

All religion is brain washing to a certain extent. All religions believe theirs is correct and all the others are false. It amazes me that anyone intelligent can believe any of the different brands of fairy tale. if they just stood back objectively, surely anyone with an ounce of sense can tell it's all total b0ll0cks, I dispair for the human race if we cannot achieve this realisation some stage.

[flipnflap]

Nicely put, Loosehead. It does seem there are an awful lot of dim people out there. And the dimmer they are, the more dangerous they are.

[Gromit]

Very true, there are very dangerous people out there...

http://www.wsws.org/news/1998/oct1998/rep-o27. shtml

[kwicky]

When God created Muslims he didn't expect them in end up in Britain.