can any one else.....

[tigerlily11]

work out just when the health care authorities ever going to learn any lessons.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/northampton shire/7242667.stm
Every time a child dies like this some silly individual fronts up to the cameras and says in an serious voice " all those involved have learned lessons from this tragic event."
Well Why do these poor little souls keeping dieing under the most appauling circumstances.
Will these supposed professionals ever learn anything other than how to get it wrong?

[tigerlily11]

And there in lays the trick.
Is it down to the people running it or the policy makers?
From whats going on it would seem that at no point does any one department talk to any other about what is going on in any one case.
They say that lessons have been learned but if this is the case then why are children still slipping through the net?
Is there no way to deal with this that is effective to the point that fewer and fewer children die at the hands of carers, parents and so on.
Is there no answer where by chidren will not suffer any more?

[Quinlad]

No.

Surely you can see that it's unrealistic to expect every single case to be handled successfully?

If families are being destroyed, councils are being sued, people are losing their jobs and children are being traumatised by being taken away from their families unnecessarily, then you must be able to see that social services have to be damn sure that they're doing the right thing when they drag a child away from its parents?

Checks and balances and updated policies and learnt lessons won't ever remove the fact that social services can't ever know what goes on behind closed doors. They have to rely on value judgements and intuition - which by their very nature contain a margin of error. Some will be left at home when they should be taken into care, some will be taken into care when they should be left at home.

Slating social workers is short-sighted and unhelpful. We can do our best to improve social services and help to reduce these cases. But expecting these tragic deaths to be eliminated once and for all is cloud cuckoo land.

Sorry, but there is no magic answer. Children will continue to be harmed.

[chadad]

Quinlad states that � It is unrealistic to expect every case to
be handled successfully �.
This is fair comment, but it resides in the same category as the
� Collateral Damage � so glibly uttered by the military.
Both of the above comments sound good, but not if you are
unfortunate enough to be handed the $h1tty end of the stick.
Quinlad further states that � Social services must be damned
sure that they are doing the right thing when they drag a child
away from it�s parents �.
I believe that this statement would hold true if the
� Damned sure � could be quantified. Unfortunately, SS
in attempting to prove that they are � Damned sure �
tend to ride rough shod over any one ( Including their own staff )
who disagrees with their perception of the case.
Furthermore, SS are able to impose almost any conditions upon
the unfortunates who attract their attention.
E.G.
1 :- They can state who can & cannot enter your dwelling.
2 :- They can also state persons who you must allow
entry to your dwelling. ( Not necessarily an SS worker ).
3 :- They can require that you get permission 24 hours in advance,
for any activity or outing contemplated by the family and
involving the child.
N.B. On numerous occasions when attempting to obtain such
permission, the permission granter could not be contacted as
� They were on leave �. This again seems understandable but,
never once was the post covered by another SS worker.
Never mind � Departments not contacting each other �.
Workers in the same departments did not contact each other.
True, you are asked to agree to these impositions but failure
to comply would mean instant removal of the child.
finally, ( for this post ). It was stated.
� Sorry, but there is no magic answer. Children

[chadad]

( Continued ).
Finally, ( for this post ). It was stated.
� Sorry, but there is no magic answer. Children will continue to be harmed �.
Heaven forbid that anyone on this thread ever has reason to
adopt this hyperbole in regard to a child of their own.