Voting on europe

[brionon]

I wish there would be a vote to see whether England should leave the EU. For a start I think the Europe haters would lose AGAIN,as they did before and,perhaps,it would stop the Politicians and Newspapers from talking such nonsense about the EU. What do you think ?

[delboy3]

Sanity has prevailed:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7277644 .stm

[New Judge]

Time will tell whether last night�s vote was a victory for sanity, or democracy or anything else. It won�t be apparent in a day or a week or a year. However, in the longer term the effects of closer integration with Europe will be apparent to our successors and they will either enjoy the benefits or suffer the consequences.

But the supporters of the European dream will not rest here. A couple of extracts from the EU�s own website:

�...it is far more than a free-trade association...�

�...it has many of the attributes associated with independent nations: its own flag, anthem, founding date, and currency...�

�... as well as an incipient common foreign and security policy in its dealings with other nations.�

�In the future, many of these nation-like characteristics are likely to be expanded.�

These are not extracts from the Daily Mail, so beloved by the �Little Englanders�, but from the EU�s own publicity.

There is no doubt in my mind that the further integration into a single nation state will eventually take place. That is the aim of the European idealists. Many of the arguments put forward for that ideal have merit, some less so. I�ll not go into all those mentioned in this thread as they�ve been adequately done to death in the past.

The Treaty of Lisbon is not the final step by any means, but it is the step from beyond which we cannot return, no matter what the people and government of this country want. It has taken 50 years to get to this point. It will take far less than fifty years to progress to a single nation state because, if you�ve read it, you will realise that the Treaty gives the EU almost carte blanche to do what it likes. And it will.

Many voters may be more than happy to see this happen. But, despite their alleged collective ignorance, they should be specifically asked if they are.

[Loosehead]

It's not irreversable Judge, it would take a revolution certainly, probably a civil war but once the people realise that they have been subjugated, in a generation or so, it's not impossible we could see another Yugoslavia.