Help please

[brionon]

Where did I get the idea that Ken Livingstone was Gay ?

[WaldoMcFroog]

Poundland?

[brionon]

Je ne don't understand,mate .

[Postdog]

I know, I was surprised at the news too.....

[WaldoMcFroog]

Sorry, just being facetious. Didn't mean anything specific!

[Gromit]

Could it have been the Daily Mail. It's a good source of printed lies, half truths and innuendos?

Think waldo meant

Ninebobnoteland

[Gromit]

Strange that these stories are starting to appear. It is almost as if their is some kind of orchestrated campaign by certain sections of the national press to get Boris elected.

[anotheoldgit]

I don't quite understand your reasoning Gromit, surely in this day of P.C. and liberal acceptance of such things, being gay must be to Mad Ken's advantage.

Incidently since you are always accusing the Daily Mail of printing lies, could we have some proof of the times they have been taken to court for printing lies?

[Gromit]

They are too numberous to list, but only today they have been found guilty of libeling the actor Nicolas Cage and have been forced to agree to make a substantial donation to charity.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/73301 11.stm

[Kromovaracun]

I can't find this story anywhere. Maybe it's because I've developed a natural immunity to news stories I find extremely uninteresting.

Otherwise, you may have gotten the idea from the fact that one of his opponents for the upcoming mayoral elections is gay. Perhaps you got them mixed up.

Just looked it up on Wiki: the guy's name is Brian Paddick.

being gay must be to Mad Ken's advantage

It won't be an advantage. The whole idea of the 'P.C.' thing is that it's inconsequential.

[anotheoldgit]

The Daily Mail did not lie, it only published an extract from a book written by Kathleen Turner. They were not to know that what she wrote was un-true, just as anyone else knows what is the truth or direct lies, when reading or quoting an extract from someone's autobiography.

Since it came to light they have issued an apology and removed it from their Web-Site, as have the publishers Headline.

Good try Gromit, but not a very good example of direct lies, so I am waiting patiently for some more examples from that all too numerous to quote list.

[Kromovaracun]

AOG: have a read.

I admit that it's a blog, so is hardly the most high-end of soruces. But the guy who writes it provides evidence in the form of direct quotes from source material in comparison with the Mail's use of it. So while it's a blog (which I admit are often unreliable), and the language is kind of smug and dumb, the evidence used in it is solid.

The reason I'm using is that for the moment I'm too lazy to go out and find a classier source. But it'll do.

[bazwillrun]

he's shafting most londoners on a daily basis so this is not news.

the quicker we rid london of this odious litle self righteous ,self glorifying tuurrd the better off we'll be

[Kromovaracun]

Or this article from October, in which the author's figures include numbers for cost of immigrant crime and HIV treatment. Which would be
slightly more credible if his source also did. Slack changes the wording to make his figures more spooky.

The report that the author quotes also includes the following: 'These different estimates should not be added to make a total. They are preliminary and some categories may overlap with others.' Slack does this anyway despite a clear warning not to do so (and why) from his own source. Which inflates his figures on the cost of immigration.

He also (incorrectly) rounds a figure (in the report he is sourcing) of �3.08bn to �4bn. This adds an extra billion to numbers which are allready incorrect.

I don't want to start an immigration debate here. But it's an example of the way the DM fiddles its evidence.

[jno]

what, so a coke-snorting Etonian can get in?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/apr/04 /boris.london08

[brionon]

Will the Star do ?

Supermarkets and off licences will only be allowed to sell booze at weekends under secret plans by barmy Brussels bureaucrats.
Daily Star 21 February 2005

A LIE !!!

[brionon]

Or the SUN ?

Greedy EU chiefs will snatch Britain�s North Sea oil if Tony Blair signs up to the planned EU constitution, it was revealed last night. The draft proposal for the treaty has a secret clause demanding power over Europe�s energy supply.
The Sun, 29 May 2003

Another LIE !

[brionon]

OR ?

The barmy bureaucrats of Brussels appeared to have gone totally bonkers last night...they banned the sticks used by our lollipop ladies. The Euro meddlers say foreign drivers may not understand the "Stop:Children" sign, suggesting they will simply drive on when a lady stands in front of them.
News of the World, 4 July 1999

[Kromovaracun]

Well, to be fair the DM try to keep outright fabrication to a minimum. The trick is that they like to cherrypick from sources, misquote people, and generally twist evidence (see above).

I might post some more examples in the morning, if I remember. But for now, my eyes hurt. Which is weird, because I've not been on the computer that much today.