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Should we lower the DD limit?
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it wouldn't do any harm for sure but i think its missing the point a bit. Most people know what the limit is but get confused about how exactly that limit is made up. the guidlelines (1 small glass wine etc) are outdated & unmeasurable as most bars don't use "small" glasses any more (more like small buckets!) and some beers & ciders are really strong so even 1 bottle could take you over the limit.
Plus, everyone's personal limit is different. i'm such a lightweight i wouldn't have anything if i was driving as i cannot trust myself!
Plus, everyone's personal limit is different. i'm such a lightweight i wouldn't have anything if i was driving as i cannot trust myself!
Just what exactly is the point. Is there any evidence to say that those that have a pint are casusing carnage on our road?
The problem drivers have drunk bucket loads and the current limit does not stop them. Its not confusion, everyone knows you cant drink 5 pints and drive.
First I suggest we enforce the laws we do have and stop expensive tinkering that'll do no good.
And remember it is not just the trifle. Have a couple of drinks the night before and you loose your licence the next if it is zero.
The problem drivers have drunk bucket loads and the current limit does not stop them. Its not confusion, everyone knows you cant drink 5 pints and drive.
First I suggest we enforce the laws we do have and stop expensive tinkering that'll do no good.
And remember it is not just the trifle. Have a couple of drinks the night before and you loose your licence the next if it is zero.
there are to many factors which effect the amount people can drink and be capable and responsible. a short person with no fat on them may be drunk on half of a half. yet the 18stone guy might not even feel any different after 3 pints. the whole current system is crap bring in a sobriety test which would also detect drug users which are another big problem on our roads.
I say just ban it all together! There are so many variables that no units for measuring how much to drink can be the same for all.
If we just say, "No drinking or driving at all" it will save all the worrying of how much to drink!
Also for those who may have drank the night before, maybe this should be down to the discretion of the police who test them and the responsibility of those who are feeling worse for wear that morning!
If we just say, "No drinking or driving at all" it will save all the worrying of how much to drink!
Also for those who may have drank the night before, maybe this should be down to the discretion of the police who test them and the responsibility of those who are feeling worse for wear that morning!
I think the limit is low enough. A half a pint of lager doesn't affect your driving. You'd be better off increasing the punishment for those that drink to excess and drive.
Some people are responsible enough to have a glass of wine with a meal and then drive home. Why punish them?
If you really want to make our roads safer, stop people from driving tired. Or ban car radios.
Some people are responsible enough to have a glass of wine with a meal and then drive home. Why punish them?
If you really want to make our roads safer, stop people from driving tired. Or ban car radios.
No (to the original question).
This is an area of debate that gets hijacked by people seeking to establish the moral highground. The problem is drivers who ignore the limit. Those drivers will still ignore the limit, even if it is lower. Net result? You achieve nothing.
It's like the law banning the use of mobile phones in cars. The law of careless driving could already be used to prosecute mobile phone users. So why pass a specific law? To appease the moral high ground people. But it costs millions to pass a new law.
Instead of adding another superfluous law, the money could have gone towards building a new childrens' hospital.
So no. Don't spend masses of public money (many �millions) just to alter a limit which the real problem drivers will still ignore. You won't achieve anything. Instead, give a few �millions to Breast Cancer Care. Then you will achieve something.
(Steps down off soap box. Exits stage left.)
This is an area of debate that gets hijacked by people seeking to establish the moral highground. The problem is drivers who ignore the limit. Those drivers will still ignore the limit, even if it is lower. Net result? You achieve nothing.
It's like the law banning the use of mobile phones in cars. The law of careless driving could already be used to prosecute mobile phone users. So why pass a specific law? To appease the moral high ground people. But it costs millions to pass a new law.
Instead of adding another superfluous law, the money could have gone towards building a new childrens' hospital.
So no. Don't spend masses of public money (many �millions) just to alter a limit which the real problem drivers will still ignore. You won't achieve anything. Instead, give a few �millions to Breast Cancer Care. Then you will achieve something.
(Steps down off soap box. Exits stage left.)
Quinlad ... yes, exactly!!!
In fact, Parliament should ban:
Driving after too little sleep ("Excuse me Sir, have you had a late night in the last 24 hours?")
Tuning your radio whilst driving.
Changing a CD whilst driving.
Holding a lit cigarette whilst driving.
Passing things to a child in the back whilst driving.
Doing your makeup whilst driving.
Drinking hot liquids whilst driving (look, if you are holding a hot coffee above your lap, your concentration is not 100% on the road in front!)
Eating with one hand whilst driving.
Etc ...
In fact, Parliament should ban:
Driving after too little sleep ("Excuse me Sir, have you had a late night in the last 24 hours?")
Tuning your radio whilst driving.
Changing a CD whilst driving.
Holding a lit cigarette whilst driving.
Passing things to a child in the back whilst driving.
Doing your makeup whilst driving.
Drinking hot liquids whilst driving (look, if you are holding a hot coffee above your lap, your concentration is not 100% on the road in front!)
Eating with one hand whilst driving.
Etc ...
winebuyer
Yes you are right on all accounds as accident are almost always down to 'some' human error. But arn't we increasing this with adding a 'drug' to the mix? (alcahol or any other!)
Don't get me wrong, I agree with what you are saying as I didn't think of it like that (thats what's great about debate!). But I just think it will save confusion just saying 'none at all!' - do arguments then!
Yes you are right on all accounds as accident are almost always down to 'some' human error. But arn't we increasing this with adding a 'drug' to the mix? (alcahol or any other!)
Don't get me wrong, I agree with what you are saying as I didn't think of it like that (thats what's great about debate!). But I just think it will save confusion just saying 'none at all!' - do arguments then!
andrea81 ... I agree.
You don't need to change the law. You need to make jolly sure that people start obeying the law as it is. How? Greater penalites for drivers who don't.
The limit is there. It is low. Stick to it. If you don't stick to it, then you will be punished.
But don't punish those of us who do stick to it. Lots of us, if we are driving, I will have a drink. But we won't have two or three because (1) we might go over the limit, and (2) we are responsible drivers. Leave us alone. Do not turn us into criminals. Concentrate on the bloke in the other car who has had five or six, and who is heading off to smash some kids legs. He won't give a stuff if you reduce the limit. He's too p**sed to worry.
The question is not how to turn the "one pint" people into criminals, but how to catch the "five pint" people.
You don't need to change the law. You need to make jolly sure that people start obeying the law as it is. How? Greater penalites for drivers who don't.
The limit is there. It is low. Stick to it. If you don't stick to it, then you will be punished.
But don't punish those of us who do stick to it. Lots of us, if we are driving, I will have a drink. But we won't have two or three because (1) we might go over the limit, and (2) we are responsible drivers. Leave us alone. Do not turn us into criminals. Concentrate on the bloke in the other car who has had five or six, and who is heading off to smash some kids legs. He won't give a stuff if you reduce the limit. He's too p**sed to worry.
The question is not how to turn the "one pint" people into criminals, but how to catch the "five pint" people.
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