Are we all mad?

[sp1214]

Following a high court ruling Abu Qatada, Bin Ladens Europe right hand man is to be allowed to stay in Britain and not be deported to Jordan.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles /news/news.html?in_article_id=564886&in_page_i d=1770

Who is at fault for this? Is it the government for not changing the law or should we vent our anger at the judges who enforce these laws?

[whiffey]

Yes it is crazy, it's what you get when you have a politically correct administration which has lost touch with what the people want, and is fawning and cringing at the altar of Islam.

Pathetic traitors. The sooner they wake up, the better.

But crucially, they will never wake up. Britain in the 21st century.

[stokemaveric]

all the do gooders and human rights brigade will be clapping their hands with glee at this news.........its pathetic he should be deported.........

[New Judge]

Once again the blame rests fairly and squarely with the European Convention on Human Rights and the 1998 Human Rights Act which incorporated the ECHR into UK law.

The gentleman in question cannot be deported to Jordan as, allegedly, he may face a trial based on evidence obtained by the use of torture.

Don't blame the judges. They have interpreted the law correctly. Blame successive governments for not modifying our complicity with the ECHR as circumstances (and its ever-widing interpretation in the European Courts) changed, and the Labour government for the 1998 Act.

[persianlady]

Yes we are mad for putting up with this feeble government and pandering to the PC brigade.

[jake-the-peg]

So you support the use of torture?

[NORMANTHEDOG]

hang on here a minute you lot,this man has not been charged with any crime in this country,at all.the goverment have no proof whatsoever he has committed any crime,so why should he be in prison.he might well be a terroist organiser,but where is the proof.we have NONE.

[Oneeyedvic]

Not only do we have no proof of any threat (but of course we can say that he is a suspect), but he also used to pass information on to MI5 and also put out an appeal shown on Arabic tv to try to secure the release of Norman Kember.

Amazing isn't it - if a UK citizen was abroad and was arrested and held without charge, we would be the first to complain.

But if it happens in this country, we say that he must be guilty and he should be deported.

Of course, we know very little about the full facts of this case, but the judge who does know the full facts (rather than media spin) doesn't think he is a flight risk or a threat to society.

Still, why let facts get in the way of prejudice.

[Quinlad]

What we need is a totalitarian dictatorship. A criminal justice system throws up the odd inconsistency so we should dismantle the whole thing.

[tigerlily11]

Not so long ago it was decided that the man who killed that head teacher was going to be given rights to stay here in England when he gets out of prison.
But still they sent home a woman who had done nothing against this country but work here, but she got cancer and had to go home because her visa ran out. She died through lack of medical care.
Poxy flaming goverment needs a damn good kick in the backside,But then I doubt if the Tories would be any different.

[sp1214]

But the Jordanian government have given assurances that he will not be tortured if sent back. The problem is we have put our trust in the left leaning fraternity who could not care a jot about the real British citizens and probably dancing on the graves of innocent civilians going about their business. We should be putting all our attention at home and not by putting 22 hour surveillance on every likely terrorist.

[jake-the-peg]

If you're tal;king about Ms Alabi I'm not quite sure that's right

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/cn_news_home/D isplayArticle.asp?ID=249882

She came to Britain in September pregnant with twins, her condition was diagnosed 6 months later in March. There were 3 other people already on the waiting list anyway so there's no guarantee that she'd have been saved.


Or perhaps you're talking about Ama Sumani? She was over here on a student visa which was revoked because she wasn't on a course, she was given temporary admission but failed to keep in contact with immigration officials which she was refused to do.

She was deported and continued to receive dialysis in Ghana but died a few months later

[tigerlily11]

It might be but it still doesn't change the fact that they are quite happy to keep the criminals here but send everyone else back. She wasn't threat to any one unlike the case in question.

[DrFilth]

these peopel were liverpool fans and should have been allowed to stay in this country.

[brionon]

How about we become selfish and keep the immigrants we want and send the rest back ? Silly idea, I suppose.

[DrFilth]

i think you will find that Abu Qatada is a chelsea fan so he should be kicked out

[jake-the-peg]

What brionon?

Like this?
http://www.ukimmigration.com/news/2006_03_07/u k/government_reveals_immigration_points_system .htm

[Oneeyedvic]

The problem is we have put our trust in the left leaning fraternity who could not care a jot about the real British citizens and probably dancing on the graves of innocent civilians going about their business

Ah yes, good old rational debate. I don't like your politics, so you must support terrorists

Why do you think the 'left leaning fraternity' don't care about British citizens? Is it he way that we want to uphold British laws like the right to a fair trial? the presumption of innocence unless proven guilty?

Seems to me that you are the one being 'unBritish'.

[sp1214]

If the laws are wrong, and most decent people do, then they should be changed to protect the innocent. To many that means repatriation without appeal and use of taxpayers money to fight the case in the English courts.

[New Judge]

The usual Great Logical Divide has once again been crossed as it often is where matters of Human Rights are concerned.

The original question focussed on an individual whom a foreign nation was trying to have extradited for alleged serious offences. He had not been tortured, nor was there evidence to suggest that he would be if extradited. Evidence against him was possibly obtained using torture. Therefore, according to the logic, if he were to be extradited, those allowing it approve of torture. Torture is contrary to the ECHR, so extradition cannot be allowed.

The problem with the ECHR and the 1998 Act is that, so vague and nebulous are its concepts that it has the potential to embrace anybody anywhere in the world. An even greater problem is that no balance is provided to weigh the rights of the individual against the rights of the population as a whole.

[New Judge]

And of course, Vic, we must all abide by the law as it stands - and that's what the judges' ruling did.

Unfortunately the law is not quite in alignment with the wishes of a large number of the electorate, and it is that which needs urgent examination.