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Can someone explaine to me what is Anonymous, and what is Scientology. I just started going on dig and noticed a few things about these two groups. Some say anonymous are terrorists , but some say they stand for our justice against scientology... so um... what exactually are these two groups? The scientology website doesnt give me a straight answer to what they are, and a fox video contredicts other videos ive seen saying that anonymous are evil people so...
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I read a biography recently, the subject of the book being a Scientologist.
The biographer didn't go into an in depth explanation of the ins and outs of Scientology but I certainly gleaned some information from it, that I didn't know before.
Scientologists believe that essentially humankind is 'good', but some people do 'bad' things because there are 'body thetans' stuck to our bodies.
These 'body thetans' are the spirits of 'Thetans', which according to Scientology, came from space and lived on earth before Humans.
Scientologists are in ranks, much like the Armed Forces, In order to get rid of these 'body thetans', the Scientologist is to speak to talk through their life with a Scientologist of an upper rank called an 'auditor'. The auditor will decide whether the soul has been cleansed enough for the Scientologist to be promoted to the next ranking level.
According to the biographer, this is why so many Scientologists, particularly well known ones, rarely leave the 'religion', because these audits are recorded and kept. Apparently whenever well known Scientologists have indicated a nition to leave, they are blackmailed with the information they gave in their audits.
Oh, in addition to these audits, they are given a device (I have no idea what it looks like, but in my minds eye it's like one of those wands that airport security staff use to check you over) to get rid of these 'body thetans'. The aim is that you use this every day on yuorself and the device kills the body thetans.
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The biographer didn't go into an in depth explanation of the ins and outs of Scientology but I certainly gleaned some information from it, that I didn't know before.
Scientologists believe that essentially humankind is 'good', but some people do 'bad' things because there are 'body thetans' stuck to our bodies.
These 'body thetans' are the spirits of 'Thetans', which according to Scientology, came from space and lived on earth before Humans.
Scientologists are in ranks, much like the Armed Forces, In order to get rid of these 'body thetans', the Scientologist is to speak to talk through their life with a Scientologist of an upper rank called an 'auditor'. The auditor will decide whether the soul has been cleansed enough for the Scientologist to be promoted to the next ranking level.
According to the biographer, this is why so many Scientologists, particularly well known ones, rarely leave the 'religion', because these audits are recorded and kept. Apparently whenever well known Scientologists have indicated a nition to leave, they are blackmailed with the information they gave in their audits.
Oh, in addition to these audits, they are given a device (I have no idea what it looks like, but in my minds eye it's like one of those wands that airport security staff use to check you over) to get rid of these 'body thetans'. The aim is that you use this every day on yuorself and the device kills the body thetans.
Continued....
So, given all of that, Scientology believes that once you get rid of all these 'body thetans', then there will be peace and harmony and no need to take anti-depressants (you'd have nothng to be depressed about, eh!).
I don't suggest for one minute that that is all Scientology is about, but that's the overall gist of it.
They are are very rick 'relgion' as all the Scientologists are to pay their way through the audits and I'm not talking a fiver here and there, I mean LOADS of money. From what I could gather, there is only 1 person in the top rank, and that's the chap who took over the rein after L. Ron Hubbard died, David Miscavidge.
Married Scientologists are expected to convert their family and friends, and if thy don't, they are to sever all ties with the family and friends. There was a woman interviewed in the biography, she said her husband and 2 sons were Scientologists, but she eventually wanted out. Her husband didn't and chucked her out of the home and their lives. She hasn't seen her sons for about 20 years.
I must be living under the same rock as you as I have never heard of Anonymous - but I'm going to get googling!
I don't suggest for one minute that that is all Scientology is about, but that's the overall gist of it.
They are are very rick 'relgion' as all the Scientologists are to pay their way through the audits and I'm not talking a fiver here and there, I mean LOADS of money. From what I could gather, there is only 1 person in the top rank, and that's the chap who took over the rein after L. Ron Hubbard died, David Miscavidge.
Married Scientologists are expected to convert their family and friends, and if thy don't, they are to sever all ties with the family and friends. There was a woman interviewed in the biography, she said her husband and 2 sons were Scientologists, but she eventually wanted out. Her husband didn't and chucked her out of the home and their lives. She hasn't seen her sons for about 20 years.
I must be living under the same rock as you as I have never heard of Anonymous - but I'm going to get googling!
scientology is a newish "religion" created by Ron Hubbard (a sci-fi writer) in the 50's - its a development on some self help work he did, some info on the wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology
from what i half remember anonymous are a loose collection of hackers and internet pranksters that worked together to achieve mostly silliness - however they became a bit more political with their targets of recent years, scientology being one that has highlighted this... i believe they began their attack due to the scientology habit of dirty tricks to silence opposition rather than any great hate of the "religion" itself e.g how it does business rather than what it stands for exactly
from what i half remember anonymous are a loose collection of hackers and internet pranksters that worked together to achieve mostly silliness - however they became a bit more political with their targets of recent years, scientology being one that has highlighted this... i believe they began their attack due to the scientology habit of dirty tricks to silence opposition rather than any great hate of the "religion" itself e.g how it does business rather than what it stands for exactly
Scientology is an evil UFO cult invented by a science fiction writer in order for him to make vast amounts of money. In this, he succeeded. He was also quite, quite, mad.
It is illegal to practice and promote scientology in several countries across the world. Anyone who really wants to know just how nasty scientology is should have a look here - http://www.xenu.net/
Here a few quotes about scientology...
Justice Latey, ruling in the High Court of London:
"Scientology is both immoral and socially obnoxious...It is corrupt sinister and dangerous. It is corrupt because it is based on lies and deceit and has its real objective money and power for Mr. Hubbard... It is sinister because it indulges in infamous practices both to its adherents who do not toe the line unquestionably and to those who criticize it or oppose it. It is dangerous because it is out to capture people and to indoctrinate and brainwash them so they become the unquestioning captives and tools of the cult, withdrawn from ordinary thought, living, and relationships with others."
Judge Breckenridge, Los Angeles Superior Court:
"[The court record is] replete with evidence [that Scientology] is nothing in reality but a vast enterprise to extract the maximum amount of money from its adepts by pseudo scientific theories... and to exercise a kind of blackmail against persons who do not wish to continue with their sect.... The organization clearly is schizophrenic and paranoid, and this bizarre combination seems to be a reflection of its founder, L.Ron Hubbard."
It is illegal to practice and promote scientology in several countries across the world. Anyone who really wants to know just how nasty scientology is should have a look here - http://www.xenu.net/
Here a few quotes about scientology...
Justice Latey, ruling in the High Court of London:
"Scientology is both immoral and socially obnoxious...It is corrupt sinister and dangerous. It is corrupt because it is based on lies and deceit and has its real objective money and power for Mr. Hubbard... It is sinister because it indulges in infamous practices both to its adherents who do not toe the line unquestionably and to those who criticize it or oppose it. It is dangerous because it is out to capture people and to indoctrinate and brainwash them so they become the unquestioning captives and tools of the cult, withdrawn from ordinary thought, living, and relationships with others."
Judge Breckenridge, Los Angeles Superior Court:
"[The court record is] replete with evidence [that Scientology] is nothing in reality but a vast enterprise to extract the maximum amount of money from its adepts by pseudo scientific theories... and to exercise a kind of blackmail against persons who do not wish to continue with their sect.... The organization clearly is schizophrenic and paranoid, and this bizarre combination seems to be a reflection of its founder, L.Ron Hubbard."
"Anonymous" appear to be a group who are opposed (quite rightly in my opinion) to scientology.
Following my own link from above, I found this little piece, "February 10th 2008 an Internet group named Anonymous called for demonstrations against the Church of Scientology globally. Over 7,600 people attended peacful pickets in front of 108 Church of Scientology at locations across 17 countries. This was the largest organised picket against this cult ever! "
http://www.xenu.net/news/20080210-picket_signs .html
Nice one.
Following my own link from above, I found this little piece, "February 10th 2008 an Internet group named Anonymous called for demonstrations against the Church of Scientology globally. Over 7,600 people attended peacful pickets in front of 108 Church of Scientology at locations across 17 countries. This was the largest organised picket against this cult ever! "
http://www.xenu.net/news/20080210-picket_signs .html
Nice one.
Why was the site blocked? Were you using a work's computer? If you're using your home comp. then the link should work fine.
The demonstrations were peaceful. Shame you couldn't see the numerous pictures - lots of people carrying placards and wearing the "Guy Faulks's" masks, like the ones in the film "V for Vendetta".
Just a thought, if the direct link is blocked, go to Google and search for "clambake". Trust me.
The demonstrations were peaceful. Shame you couldn't see the numerous pictures - lots of people carrying placards and wearing the "Guy Faulks's" masks, like the ones in the film "V for Vendetta".
Just a thought, if the direct link is blocked, go to Google and search for "clambake". Trust me.
Just found out that during the peaceful demonstrations in London against the church of scientology, a 15 year lad has been charged with a section 5 public order offence because he had a placard saying that scientology is a cult! Unbelievable.
Or rather, it would be unbelievable if were not for the fact that more than 20 officers from the City of London Police (ranging from Constable to Chief Superintendent) had accepted gifts worth thousands of pounds from the church of scientology in 2006. The City of London Chief Superintendent, Kevin Hurley, praised Scientology for "raising the spiritual wealth of society" during the opening of its headquarters in 2006.
Yeah, right.
The word "cult" means "system of religious worship especially as expressed in ceremonies; devotion or homage to person or thing (especially derogatory of a transient fad)" - Concise Oxford Dictionary. Not particularly offensive, then, and very appropriate to Scientology.
I pitty the 15 year old lad, but I really hope this does go to court so that, yet again, the police will be shown to be a load of "PC" jobsworths who would rather pick on easy targets than spend some money and investigate "real" crimes.
Or rather, it would be unbelievable if were not for the fact that more than 20 officers from the City of London Police (ranging from Constable to Chief Superintendent) had accepted gifts worth thousands of pounds from the church of scientology in 2006. The City of London Chief Superintendent, Kevin Hurley, praised Scientology for "raising the spiritual wealth of society" during the opening of its headquarters in 2006.
Yeah, right.
The word "cult" means "system of religious worship especially as expressed in ceremonies; devotion or homage to person or thing (especially derogatory of a transient fad)" - Concise Oxford Dictionary. Not particularly offensive, then, and very appropriate to Scientology.
I pitty the 15 year old lad, but I really hope this does go to court so that, yet again, the police will be shown to be a load of "PC" jobsworths who would rather pick on easy targets than spend some money and investigate "real" crimes.
Hi Birdie, ys the links were blocked at work, but I've opened them up now.
That first link - xenu.net is great!
It was around the beginning of the year that I read the book I was talking of, so I can't remember exact extracts, but I was shocked nonetheless.
The Sea Orgs are treated like slaves, there was mention in the book that, in order to have the most famous Scientologist feel welcome at the house, they were to cut the lawn with scissors. That is only one of the numerous hair-raising paragraphs.
There was a whole chapter dedicated to the plight of the Journalist Paulette Cooper. After writing an article for a magazine then later a book, which didn't show the CoS in a good light, they proceeded to harrass her.
It ranged from men posing as flower delivery men and pulling a gun on her when she answered the door, her phones being tapped, sending her neighbours letters saying she was a paedophile...etc.
This went on for years apparently.
They're nothing short of bullies on a power trip and out to make as much money as they possibly can without any thought to anyone but themselves.
I truly pity those who have been brain washed by their ways.
That first link - xenu.net is great!
It was around the beginning of the year that I read the book I was talking of, so I can't remember exact extracts, but I was shocked nonetheless.
The Sea Orgs are treated like slaves, there was mention in the book that, in order to have the most famous Scientologist feel welcome at the house, they were to cut the lawn with scissors. That is only one of the numerous hair-raising paragraphs.
There was a whole chapter dedicated to the plight of the Journalist Paulette Cooper. After writing an article for a magazine then later a book, which didn't show the CoS in a good light, they proceeded to harrass her.
It ranged from men posing as flower delivery men and pulling a gun on her when she answered the door, her phones being tapped, sending her neighbours letters saying she was a paedophile...etc.
This went on for years apparently.
They're nothing short of bullies on a power trip and out to make as much money as they possibly can without any thought to anyone but themselves.
I truly pity those who have been brain washed by their ways.
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