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Racism In Cornwall
There have recently been a spate of posts decrying the 'ghettoizing' of inner city areas by immigrants and thier (British) descendents.
Therefore, is the following story cause for concern:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news /racism-rears-its-ugly-head-in-cornwall-851605 .html
I think it's fair to say that we're all pretty much sick of extremism and the fear it induces to moderate people....so what should be done to allay the fears of those immigrants and their families who chose to move out of inner cities?
Also, could this be one of the reasons why black and Asian families choose to live in certain areas - 'safety in numbers'?
Therefore, is the following story cause for concern:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news /racism-rears-its-ugly-head-in-cornwall-851605 .html
I think it's fair to say that we're all pretty much sick of extremism and the fear it induces to moderate people....so what should be done to allay the fears of those immigrants and their families who chose to move out of inner cities?
Also, could this be one of the reasons why black and Asian families choose to live in certain areas - 'safety in numbers'?
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whiffey.
Thank you.
I see where you're coming from and I think your conclusions are wrong.
Note, I said I think your conclusions are wrong. With a minority of blacks/Asians who despise whites and and equal number of whites who despise blacks/Asians, I have a horrible feeling that life for us moderates is going to be fairly intolerable for some time to come.
Anyway, enjoy your weekend. I am being forced to go see The Hulk so I'm signing off.
Thank you.
I see where you're coming from and I think your conclusions are wrong.
Note, I said I think your conclusions are wrong. With a minority of blacks/Asians who despise whites and and equal number of whites who despise blacks/Asians, I have a horrible feeling that life for us moderates is going to be fairly intolerable for some time to come.
Anyway, enjoy your weekend. I am being forced to go see The Hulk so I'm signing off.
sp1814, how naive can you get? Politics and Society is not always adult, and I think it is traitorous armchair idealists like you who rub people up the wrong way, trying to inflict on people THINGS THEY DO NOT WANT, and all the time crapping on about racism.
Dispersing Asians and Blacks and Muslims throughout the rural areas of Britain? Do you have any comprehension of the sort of feelings that those words arouse in non-gay non-black British people? Or do you inhabit a strange world of your own?
Dispersing Asians and Blacks and Muslims throughout the rural areas of Britain? Do you have any comprehension of the sort of feelings that those words arouse in non-gay non-black British people? Or do you inhabit a strange world of your own?
krom if the british were to march against the muslim community whoever took part would be arrested for inciting racial hatred.that is a FACT..
What I meant was, why aren't the British marching against the racist attacks perpertrated by their fellow Britons?
I don't actually believe this, note, but what I was referencing was the frequently-used argument (by yourself, if I remember right) that because Muslims don't march against extremism they must all be extremists. I was applying the same logic to Britons in an attempt to show how flawed it is. You evidently didn't read my post properly so I guess the joke's been kind of terminated...
sp1814, how naive can you get? Politics and Society is not always adult, and I think it is traitorous armchair idealists like you who rub people up the wrong way
See, why do you always just drop in buzzwords like 'traitorous'? Are they supposed to make sense of your statements somehow? Because I honestly have absolutely no idea what the above paragraph says.
Dispersing Asians and Blacks and Muslims throughout the rural areas of Britain? Do you have any comprehension of the sort of feelings that those words arouse in non-gay non-black British people?
So now you're the spokesperson for the entire white population of Britain?
How do you what sentiments it arouses? Do you have any direct evidence apart from what you and your acquaintances believe to support this?
I must say, whiffey, you do make an awful lot of assertions. Would it be unreasonable to ask for something to back it up?
What I meant was, why aren't the British marching against the racist attacks perpertrated by their fellow Britons?
I don't actually believe this, note, but what I was referencing was the frequently-used argument (by yourself, if I remember right) that because Muslims don't march against extremism they must all be extremists. I was applying the same logic to Britons in an attempt to show how flawed it is. You evidently didn't read my post properly so I guess the joke's been kind of terminated...
sp1814, how naive can you get? Politics and Society is not always adult, and I think it is traitorous armchair idealists like you who rub people up the wrong way
See, why do you always just drop in buzzwords like 'traitorous'? Are they supposed to make sense of your statements somehow? Because I honestly have absolutely no idea what the above paragraph says.
Dispersing Asians and Blacks and Muslims throughout the rural areas of Britain? Do you have any comprehension of the sort of feelings that those words arouse in non-gay non-black British people?
So now you're the spokesperson for the entire white population of Britain?
How do you what sentiments it arouses? Do you have any direct evidence apart from what you and your acquaintances believe to support this?
I must say, whiffey, you do make an awful lot of assertions. Would it be unreasonable to ask for something to back it up?
I don't need to justify myself to you kromoetc.
It is simple. I don't want to see Islam/Asian culture/Black culture dispersing throughout rural Britain. I just don't want to see it. It's not a philosophical debate which one can win or lose, it's a heartfelt feeling.
Why should I have to back that up to backstabbing lefties?
It is simple. I don't want to see Islam/Asian culture/Black culture dispersing throughout rural Britain. I just don't want to see it. It's not a philosophical debate which one can win or lose, it's a heartfelt feeling.
Why should I have to back that up to backstabbing lefties?
I'm not asking you to justify yourself, I'm just asking you to support the assertions you make. And you do make plenty of very, very broad assertions that go well beyond what your personal feelings are. If you're going to enter an argument about them, then it's perfectly reasonable to ask for some evidence to indicate they're true.
By your own logic, I could legitimately assert that the Pope is a newt in a fez craftily disguised and plotting to take over the world, if I just 'had a feeling'.
By your own logic, I could legitimately assert that the Pope is a newt in a fez craftily disguised and plotting to take over the world, if I just 'had a feeling'.
Racism in Cornwall is not exactly a suprise to me. My mothers side of the family are cornish and for as long as I've been going down there, it has always been a very white area. I still remember the rumblings and stunned look when the Chinese round my grandads area opened. The curry house was even worse. The fact is that most people down there are not exposed to any other culture mix and frankly can be a bit unwelcoming (including to white tourists, even the ones they're bl00dy related to!) I include my beloved grandfather, one uncle and about six cousins in that. Not to mention great aunts, second cousins and a few I don't even know how I'm related to.
However they do adjust and attitudes change over time and I think that's the key. I don't think you can prepare the families for their introduction to rural life in much the same way you couldn't have prepared certain members of my family for their arrival. Now that the cultures are there, my grandad is begrudgingly getting used to it, he's a racist old (lovable) fart and will remain so to the end of his days. I wouldn't try to change his mind as it is out of his realm of comprehension to see a different view point on this matter. In much the same way as it is for his sister. The uncles and aunts are becoming used to the idea and are starting to mix with other cultures in the local bars and finding them not too bad. They'll always be emits to them I dare say but they'll rub along.
However they do adjust and attitudes change over time and I think that's the key. I don't think you can prepare the families for their introduction to rural life in much the same way you couldn't have prepared certain members of my family for their arrival. Now that the cultures are there, my grandad is begrudgingly getting used to it, he's a racist old (lovable) fart and will remain so to the end of his days. I wouldn't try to change his mind as it is out of his realm of comprehension to see a different view point on this matter. In much the same way as it is for his sister. The uncles and aunts are becoming used to the idea and are starting to mix with other cultures in the local bars and finding them not too bad. They'll always be emits to them I dare say but they'll rub along.
I've a lot of hope for my younger cousins and even more so for the next generation coming through. This is because it won't be abnormal for them to see different cultures and colours in their school. Same as it was perfectly normal to me as a kid living in London. They won't bat an eyelid and they will question others who do. (They'll always be ignorant extremes on both side of course but such is human nature). Ultimately, this is how attitudes change, the key componants being time and exposure.
And yes, ti could well be the reason that black and asian families do this, the safety in numbers argument but as I've said recently, this is also detrimental and prevents mutual understanding and tolerence. It's understandable but it really makes things worse in my opinion.
And yes, ti could well be the reason that black and asian families do this, the safety in numbers argument but as I've said recently, this is also detrimental and prevents mutual understanding and tolerence. It's understandable but it really makes things worse in my opinion.
I don't need to justify myself to you kromo, you are exactly the kind of wishy-washy lefty that will bring this country to its eventual sorry conclusion. You will of course be academically justified, but that might look a bit stupid when you are dangling from a crane.
But why should I believe you? All you've done is assert, and provided me with absolutely no reason to think that anything you say is true. And there's plenty of facts I can think of that indicate the opposite of what you're saying.
It's nothing to do with what I think of your views. I'm not asking you to justify yourself, I'm just asking you a question: what evidence is there to indicate that you're right? All I'm asking for is some return from those 'years of observation and study' that you told us you'd based this on.
But why should I believe you? All you've done is assert, and provided me with absolutely no reason to think that anything you say is true. And there's plenty of facts I can think of that indicate the opposite of what you're saying.
It's nothing to do with what I think of your views. I'm not asking you to justify yourself, I'm just asking you a question: what evidence is there to indicate that you're right? All I'm asking for is some return from those 'years of observation and study' that you told us you'd based this on.
Hi sp1814
Well these attacks are really appalling - I really am starting to have little faith in humanity!
As more asian/black families move to rural areas, they will always face locals that lack in knowledge in regards to Islam and cause racial/religious hatred and this is quite typical in the south-west. But must admit it is getting more cosmopolitan which is great and this is probably why there has been an increase in figures of racist crime.
Well these attacks are really appalling - I really am starting to have little faith in humanity!
As more asian/black families move to rural areas, they will always face locals that lack in knowledge in regards to Islam and cause racial/religious hatred and this is quite typical in the south-west. But must admit it is getting more cosmopolitan which is great and this is probably why there has been an increase in figures of racist crime.
sp1814 - Am I correct in saying that I seem to remember from a previous post, that you are from an ethnic minority?
This is important surely, as it is bound to affect your views, and whiffey might have had something additional or different to say if this was known.
There is the constant threat of whites like me being called racist for making comments and passing opinions, that are of concern socially and societally, and constantly having to prove our non racist credentials.
For example, I am not a racist, have brough my six kids up to be enlightened about race and discrimination, yet I have been called racist for airing views that are in defence of my culture and beliefs.
One of my sons has a half caste Sudanese girlfriend, and God bless the pair of them is what i say, yet I am still entitled to voice opinions if my culture is threatened without the racist slur being applied, which is what scares so many politicians into staying schtum on delicate issues, for fear of losing favour in the face of racist mud slinging tactics.
This is important surely, as it is bound to affect your views, and whiffey might have had something additional or different to say if this was known.
There is the constant threat of whites like me being called racist for making comments and passing opinions, that are of concern socially and societally, and constantly having to prove our non racist credentials.
For example, I am not a racist, have brough my six kids up to be enlightened about race and discrimination, yet I have been called racist for airing views that are in defence of my culture and beliefs.
One of my sons has a half caste Sudanese girlfriend, and God bless the pair of them is what i say, yet I am still entitled to voice opinions if my culture is threatened without the racist slur being applied, which is what scares so many politicians into staying schtum on delicate issues, for fear of losing favour in the face of racist mud slinging tactics.
Theland
We're talking about a pigs head being nailed to an Asian community centre and racist/BNP graffiti. If you read the whole link it would appear that these aren't reasonable people expressing their concerns about race.
I think if we cannot refer to this as racism, then we have a serious problem. I acknowledge that some people will play the 'race card'....but equally now it seems that when there is a genuine threat of racism from the white community, people will play the 'non-race card' (ie. "This isn't racism...it's people trying to preserve their community's local identity".
I've re-read some of the previous posts on this thread and with regards to one poster in particular, I'm saddened that such levels of prejudice still exist (where I grew up in South London there was very little racial tension - almost nil - everyone's common enemy were the Tories!!!).
We're talking about a pigs head being nailed to an Asian community centre and racist/BNP graffiti. If you read the whole link it would appear that these aren't reasonable people expressing their concerns about race.
I think if we cannot refer to this as racism, then we have a serious problem. I acknowledge that some people will play the 'race card'....but equally now it seems that when there is a genuine threat of racism from the white community, people will play the 'non-race card' (ie. "This isn't racism...it's people trying to preserve their community's local identity".
I've re-read some of the previous posts on this thread and with regards to one poster in particular, I'm saddened that such levels of prejudice still exist (where I grew up in South London there was very little racial tension - almost nil - everyone's common enemy were the Tories!!!).
I apologise for not addressing the central issue, that of graffitti and the pigs head.
No, this is not acceptable.
There is, however, a long history in all kinds of situations where people who feel disenfranchised take the law into their own hands because they feel that the authorities are ignoring them.
This happened in 1967 in Northern Ireland and the troubles lasted for thirty years.
It happened in Toxteth, Liverpool, Brixton, and Bristol in the early 1980's when young mainly blacks, but others also, felt that their concerns were being ignored.
When a white community see perceived preferential treatment being given to minorities, then law breaking can be expected.
Local and national authorities need to be more sensitive to the needs, fears, and aspirations of all of our diverse cultures, not just the minorities.
No, this is not acceptable.
There is, however, a long history in all kinds of situations where people who feel disenfranchised take the law into their own hands because they feel that the authorities are ignoring them.
This happened in 1967 in Northern Ireland and the troubles lasted for thirty years.
It happened in Toxteth, Liverpool, Brixton, and Bristol in the early 1980's when young mainly blacks, but others also, felt that their concerns were being ignored.
When a white community see perceived preferential treatment being given to minorities, then law breaking can be expected.
Local and national authorities need to be more sensitive to the needs, fears, and aspirations of all of our diverse cultures, not just the minorities.
"disenfranchised take the law into their own hands because they feel that the authorities are ignoring them".
What nonsense!
Sorry but how can the setting up of one community setting for the miniscule amount of Asian poeple (" Asian population is scattered across the county in groups of just a few families) cause the " classify themselves as white British, with 99 per cent classed as white", be disenfranchising for 91 % of the population?
Theland, I know you have a totally exaggerated fear of the power of Islam but even you surely can not extrapolate this tiny minority (not all Muslims) to being a real threat. Even if it was this is underhand cowardly acts of aggression, hardly the stuff of freedom fighters
What nonsense!
Sorry but how can the setting up of one community setting for the miniscule amount of Asian poeple (" Asian population is scattered across the county in groups of just a few families) cause the " classify themselves as white British, with 99 per cent classed as white", be disenfranchising for 91 % of the population?
Theland, I know you have a totally exaggerated fear of the power of Islam but even you surely can not extrapolate this tiny minority (not all Muslims) to being a real threat. Even if it was this is underhand cowardly acts of aggression, hardly the stuff of freedom fighters
ruby27 - I am not in any way whatsoever condoning these acts.
I am simply trying to put forward a reason for them.
The numbers of ethnic minorities in the area is irrelevant, as it is the perceived threat as shown nationally in the media that is the motivator.
I do not have a greatly exaggerated fear of the power of islam at all. My fear is entirely rational and is based on real events and threats in this country and around the world.
But that is a debate for another thread.
I am simply trying to put forward a reason for them.
The numbers of ethnic minorities in the area is irrelevant, as it is the perceived threat as shown nationally in the media that is the motivator.
I do not have a greatly exaggerated fear of the power of islam at all. My fear is entirely rational and is based on real events and threats in this country and around the world.
But that is a debate for another thread.
Do you have any comprehension of the sort of feelings that those words arouse in non-gay non-black British people?
sp1814 may or may not, but then you Whiffey, do not have a comprehension of non-gay, non-black, non bigoted, non scared British people. You only understand your own narrow perspective - which fortunately is not shared by the more enlightened.
Also the reason Kromovaracun sp1814 and others are not hanging from a crane; is not because of the liberalism and tolerance of Christianity, as Christianity like Islam is a bigoted, oppressive and homophobic belief system; but due to the wonders of secularism which has made such behaviour unlawful.
sp1814 may or may not, but then you Whiffey, do not have a comprehension of non-gay, non-black, non bigoted, non scared British people. You only understand your own narrow perspective - which fortunately is not shared by the more enlightened.
Also the reason Kromovaracun sp1814 and others are not hanging from a crane; is not because of the liberalism and tolerance of Christianity, as Christianity like Islam is a bigoted, oppressive and homophobic belief system; but due to the wonders of secularism which has made such behaviour unlawful.
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