Radio Times Cryptic Crossword Issue 50...
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How can we install more balanced programming?
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-103587 8/Britains-popular-TV-shows-branded-white-blac k-Asian-viewers.html
Perhaps the answer would be to bring back "The Black & White Minstel Show"?
Perhaps the answer would be to bring back "The Black & White Minstel Show"?
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Popular British TV shows such as the Vicar of Dibley have been criticised for being 'two white'
*Snicker*
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That aside, stereotyping takes place all the time on television. I'd say it's more out of simple convenience than anything else - unless you're doing something more intelligent or complex (which, let's face it, hardly any TV shows do), you need to have certain elements of stereotyping purely so that your audience can 'recognise' the character.
You don't only need to look to ethnic minorities for it - look at the televisual representation of any group - men, women, rich, poor, homosexuals etc.
*Snicker*
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That aside, stereotyping takes place all the time on television. I'd say it's more out of simple convenience than anything else - unless you're doing something more intelligent or complex (which, let's face it, hardly any TV shows do), you need to have certain elements of stereotyping purely so that your audience can 'recognise' the character.
You don't only need to look to ethnic minorities for it - look at the televisual representation of any group - men, women, rich, poor, homosexuals etc.
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>Popular british show Crimewatch has been criticised for being too 'Black and Asian'.
I have always thought Crimewatch was a great recruiting program for the BNP. 5% of the population, 50% of the crimes.
And we now get reports of a huge criminal gang of illegal immigrants in southall.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7505574.stm
What a great mistake we made with our immigration "policy" in the last 30 years !
I have always thought Crimewatch was a great recruiting program for the BNP. 5% of the population, 50% of the crimes.
And we now get reports of a huge criminal gang of illegal immigrants in southall.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7505574.stm
What a great mistake we made with our immigration "policy" in the last 30 years !
I do think the argument is being made using bad examples.
Dev in Corrie is not an Asian shopkeeper, he is a businessman and entrepreneur who owns five shops - or did until they burned down.
The Vicar of Dibley is set in a rural English village, and is therefore entirely accurate in portrayal of a white population.
American shows like 'Hill Street Blues' portrayed ethnic minorities as central characters, including their own racial attitudes and personal failings, back in the late '70's.
The BBC's bias is that everyone is white and middle-class - hence the endless 'Surbiton' "commedies" with people like Judy Dench and Robert Lindsay in, and don;t let's start on the latest Nicholas Lyndhurst aboniation - I've laughed more with my fingers trapped in a car door!
You can't expect a society-based balance in a soap opera, or a comedy - they are charactures by definition, and always will be.
If you want to look at a characture for real, check out Sir trevor on the news - gawd strewth, he sounds like Malcom Muggeridge on a bad day!
Dev in Corrie is not an Asian shopkeeper, he is a businessman and entrepreneur who owns five shops - or did until they burned down.
The Vicar of Dibley is set in a rural English village, and is therefore entirely accurate in portrayal of a white population.
American shows like 'Hill Street Blues' portrayed ethnic minorities as central characters, including their own racial attitudes and personal failings, back in the late '70's.
The BBC's bias is that everyone is white and middle-class - hence the endless 'Surbiton' "commedies" with people like Judy Dench and Robert Lindsay in, and don;t let's start on the latest Nicholas Lyndhurst aboniation - I've laughed more with my fingers trapped in a car door!
You can't expect a society-based balance in a soap opera, or a comedy - they are charactures by definition, and always will be.
If you want to look at a characture for real, check out Sir trevor on the news - gawd strewth, he sounds like Malcom Muggeridge on a bad day!
This report was commissioned by Channel Four to deflect some of the flak it was receiving after the Big Brother racism claims.
It did its job then, and now it has arrived. Does it tell us anything we didn't know already? - No.
Everyone knows that minorities are not properly represented, and that is because television by its very nature is populist. When they create a place such as Dibley, Weatherfield or Walford it is a fantasy, not real life. Every character is a stereotype.
The study, from the reports (I have not read it, and I assume AOG hasn't either) seems anitdotal rather than any real figures. There appears to be an implied accusation that quizzes are rigged so that Black and Asian viewers cannot answer them. I rather doubt that, and no figures or examples have been produced to substantiate it.
It looks like a money-for-old-rope report, the fee from Channel Four going into the coffers and that is that.
BTW �Hideously white� was an observation by Greg Dyke when he arrived at the BBC and found it full of Oxbridge types. Mr Phillips was merely saying British Television still is.
Should we bring back the B&W Minstrel Show?
- No, it always was very, very naff.
It did its job then, and now it has arrived. Does it tell us anything we didn't know already? - No.
Everyone knows that minorities are not properly represented, and that is because television by its very nature is populist. When they create a place such as Dibley, Weatherfield or Walford it is a fantasy, not real life. Every character is a stereotype.
The study, from the reports (I have not read it, and I assume AOG hasn't either) seems anitdotal rather than any real figures. There appears to be an implied accusation that quizzes are rigged so that Black and Asian viewers cannot answer them. I rather doubt that, and no figures or examples have been produced to substantiate it.
It looks like a money-for-old-rope report, the fee from Channel Four going into the coffers and that is that.
BTW �Hideously white� was an observation by Greg Dyke when he arrived at the BBC and found it full of Oxbridge types. Mr Phillips was merely saying British Television still is.
Should we bring back the B&W Minstrel Show?
- No, it always was very, very naff.
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Hoorah!
I wondered when we'd have the next black bashing day. It's been weeks!
Am I too late to join in? 'Fraid I've been too busy today burgling, selling drugs and...umm...oh yeah - having illegitimate kids.
Haven't even had time to stop and dust my knick knacks (my house backs onto a cake factory, so I never stop).
I wondered when we'd have the next black bashing day. It's been weeks!
Am I too late to join in? 'Fraid I've been too busy today burgling, selling drugs and...umm...oh yeah - having illegitimate kids.
Haven't even had time to stop and dust my knick knacks (my house backs onto a cake factory, so I never stop).
Can't win with you sp1814 !
I suggested seriously that BME should be represented on TV to the point of over-representation (50/50). If it were done on the figures Gromit gives, there would be fewer than 1/10, and the race relations people would be leaping up and down even more than they are now.
There may be local variation, but if my TV repertoire is anything to go by then there is scarcely a white person in my area. Actually they have a point there. But they still harp on and on and on until positive discriminatory action has been taken, hence the 50/50, and it was serious.
I suggested seriously that BME should be represented on TV to the point of over-representation (50/50). If it were done on the figures Gromit gives, there would be fewer than 1/10, and the race relations people would be leaping up and down even more than they are now.
There may be local variation, but if my TV repertoire is anything to go by then there is scarcely a white person in my area. Actually they have a point there. But they still harp on and on and on until positive discriminatory action has been taken, hence the 50/50, and it was serious.
If the ethnic minorities want more balanced programming, they first must expect at some time to be sterotyped and ridiculed etc, without offence being shown, or playing the race card.
Let's not go down the way of those patronising American films, which mostly always feature the obligatory Black who holds the top position i.e. police chief or military top brass, and the equally obligatory White female who is nearly always the top detective or platoon commander.
Let's not go down the way of those patronising American films, which mostly always feature the obligatory Black who holds the top position i.e. police chief or military top brass, and the equally obligatory White female who is nearly always the top detective or platoon commander.
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