Body & Soul0 min ago
What a way to treat a hero
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In the week that we hear of yet another British soldier killed in Afghanistan, we read this shocking story.
http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/60026 /Soldier-is-refused-a-bed-by-hotel-because-he- is-in-the-Army
Perhaps soldiers do sometimes have a little too much drink, but then they are not the only ones.
If this soldier had been drunk when he tried to book-in, then the hotel receptionist would have been in the right to refuse entry, (or indeed if he had arrived back at the hotel drunk), but there was no report that either was the case. He was simply refused to book-into the hotel, because he was a soldier.
This hotel should have it's licence taken away.
http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/60026 /Soldier-is-refused-a-bed-by-hotel-because-he- is-in-the-Army
Perhaps soldiers do sometimes have a little too much drink, but then they are not the only ones.
If this soldier had been drunk when he tried to book-in, then the hotel receptionist would have been in the right to refuse entry, (or indeed if he had arrived back at the hotel drunk), but there was no report that either was the case. He was simply refused to book-into the hotel, because he was a soldier.
This hotel should have it's licence taken away.
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This hotel should have it's licence taken away.
Because that is democracy at work!
Why do the right wing brigade always call for places to be shut down when they don't agree with their practices.
What do the Army stand for?
Why did we fight Hitler in the second World War?
Why do you want to take away people's rights that you do not agree with.
By all means call for like minded people to boycott this hotel - but asking for their licence to be taken away seems extreme.
Because that is democracy at work!
Why do the right wing brigade always call for places to be shut down when they don't agree with their practices.
What do the Army stand for?
Why did we fight Hitler in the second World War?
Why do you want to take away people's rights that you do not agree with.
By all means call for like minded people to boycott this hotel - but asking for their licence to be taken away seems extreme.
Unusually I agree with vic on this, any outfit is free to serve who they want. However if you read the article carefully this is yet another case of someone ("receptionist") with sh1t for brains, not thinking for themselves. They had trouble with squaddies in their night club and issued warnings to staff. Unfortunately when you hire people for a shilling a week do not expect rational thought.
I heard a report on the radio last night to the effect that the hotel in question is now saying that it was never hotel policy , and that it was a human error by the receptionist concerned.
This may be true, or they may be trying to cover their arses because of all the furious telephone calls from local people threatening to boycott the hotel, and all the bad press they have received.
This may be true, or they may be trying to cover their arses because of all the furious telephone calls from local people threatening to boycott the hotel, and all the bad press they have received.
Ok let's play the race card.
Taking this hypothetical scenario, If this soldier had been Black or Asian for example.
How many on here would now be demanding that the hotel was closed down or at least prosecuted?
No matter how hard the hotel owners pleaded that the soldier was excluded from the hotel, not because of his ethnicity, but because he was a soldier.
Taking this hypothetical scenario, If this soldier had been Black or Asian for example.
How many on here would now be demanding that the hotel was closed down or at least prosecuted?
No matter how hard the hotel owners pleaded that the soldier was excluded from the hotel, not because of his ethnicity, but because he was a soldier.
AOG - why play the race card - as you agree, it was nothing to do with his colour.
If he was turned down due to his ethnicity then a law would have been broken.
No law has been broken as he was turned down to being in the army.
I know banks at the moment who are turning down ALL pubs for loans. Should they be closed down, as you don't agree with their decision?
I know insurance companies who won't insure certian professions - should they be closed down?
It is up to a business what clients they want / don't want so long as they comply with the law.
This hotel has complied with the law.
If he was turned down due to his ethnicity then a law would have been broken.
No law has been broken as he was turned down to being in the army.
I know banks at the moment who are turning down ALL pubs for loans. Should they be closed down, as you don't agree with their decision?
I know insurance companies who won't insure certian professions - should they be closed down?
It is up to a business what clients they want / don't want so long as they comply with the law.
This hotel has complied with the law.
Just found a review of the place...
Interesting view of the local punters, 'working girls' and purveyors of illicit substances.
http://www.bview.co.uk/listing/1702298/America n-Amusements-Ltd-in-RG40
PS, AOG, have you completely lost your marbles?
Interesting view of the local punters, 'working girls' and purveyors of illicit substances.
http://www.bview.co.uk/listing/1702298/America n-Amusements-Ltd-in-RG40
PS, AOG, have you completely lost your marbles?
SP, I think you are confused.
You can't refuse someone becasue of gender, sexual orientation etc.
He wasn't - he was refused because of his occupation - which the hotel deem to be a high risk category.
Just as a person who is a footballer can be denied insurance.
There will of course be some hotels (or insurance companies) that are willing to take that 'risk', however it is by no means compulsory.
You can't refuse someone becasue of gender, sexual orientation etc.
He wasn't - he was refused because of his occupation - which the hotel deem to be a high risk category.
Just as a person who is a footballer can be denied insurance.
There will of course be some hotels (or insurance companies) that are willing to take that 'risk', however it is by no means compulsory.
As a strong opponent of warfare, I find the knee-jerk patriotism of some people quite disturbing. they are easy to spot - they pepper their opinions with phrases like -
our brave boys and girls
our heroes fighting for their country
our lads and lasses out there
and so on and so forth.
Let's try a little rationality here shall we?
The man in question is not a 'hero' - he has not been decorated for bravery. He is a solider, doing a job he has chosen which currently involves an above average chance of service in a war zone.
He was turned away because is profession did not conform with the policy of the hotel as advised to the staff.
There are other hotels, he had no need to sleep in his car.
So really, this is an issue of 'patriotism' because some people feel that serving in the armed forces gives every individual wings and a halo with which to come home.
It is a knee-jerk reaction utterly at odds with what has actually happened.
Talk to an Iraqui woman who has had her home destroyed and her husband and children killed by an invading force who are there for dubious reasons.
Now that is injustice!
A sense of perspective does help in these matters.
our brave boys and girls
our heroes fighting for their country
our lads and lasses out there
and so on and so forth.
Let's try a little rationality here shall we?
The man in question is not a 'hero' - he has not been decorated for bravery. He is a solider, doing a job he has chosen which currently involves an above average chance of service in a war zone.
He was turned away because is profession did not conform with the policy of the hotel as advised to the staff.
There are other hotels, he had no need to sleep in his car.
So really, this is an issue of 'patriotism' because some people feel that serving in the armed forces gives every individual wings and a halo with which to come home.
It is a knee-jerk reaction utterly at odds with what has actually happened.
Talk to an Iraqui woman who has had her home destroyed and her husband and children killed by an invading force who are there for dubious reasons.
Now that is injustice!
A sense of perspective does help in these matters.
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About nearby Aldershot, for info:
"Most Aldershot locals fear the sort of trouble which left James McGuire with two broken arms and broken ribs after a confrontation with four drunken paratroopers.
They avoid the town centre at night. Squaddie pubs are shunned and groups of young men are given a wide berth after dark.
Local police insist that the problem of drunken violence is no worse in Aldershot than in many other towns and point to just 70 military personnel out of 6,000 arrested in the district last year.
But the dominance of the young, hard-drinking, loutish soldier after pub closing time has scared civilians out of their town centre.
Last month, McDonald's decided it had had enough and stopped opening after 8pm. The change from midnight closing followed a trial period of an 11pm finish.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/i s_/ai_n13966005?tag=artBody;col1
"Most Aldershot locals fear the sort of trouble which left James McGuire with two broken arms and broken ribs after a confrontation with four drunken paratroopers.
They avoid the town centre at night. Squaddie pubs are shunned and groups of young men are given a wide berth after dark.
Local police insist that the problem of drunken violence is no worse in Aldershot than in many other towns and point to just 70 military personnel out of 6,000 arrested in the district last year.
But the dominance of the young, hard-drinking, loutish soldier after pub closing time has scared civilians out of their town centre.
Last month, McDonald's decided it had had enough and stopped opening after 8pm. The change from midnight closing followed a trial period of an 11pm finish.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/i s_/ai_n13966005?tag=artBody;col1
AOG is trying to say that soldiering is a type of race. What a ******* idiot.
I despair at some of the one brain cell individuals that are allowed on this site.
They can't understand English never mind write it.
Tjam is a typical example, where does it say that I said "soldiering is a type of race"?
Gromit, forever ready to post some obscure link, but why do you continue to insult me?
sp1814
I was referring to AOG's point about what would happen if they tried to ban the soldier on the basis of his race.
Once again false accusations, I did not say "if they tried to ban the soldier on the basis of his race.
What I did say was hypothetical, if they just banned him because he was a soldier, and he happened to be Black or Brown, there would be many who would play the race card and say they bannned him because of his colour.
Oh! dear Oh! dear I can't be anymore clearer, unless of course I get some colouring pencils and draw you pretty pictures.
andy-hughes a good job we didn't have many stomach churning cowards such as you during the two World Wars.
Anyone who has been in a battle zone is indeed a hero, perhaps he hasn't been decorated for bravery, but then maybe he has, you do not know. It is of no consequence if he has or not. Anyone that has fought side by side with his comrades is a hero, they fight as a unit for a common cause, just as I suppose your friends in Iraq and Afghanistan class their warriors.
Please don't give me that about the Iraqi woman who has lost her husband, children. and home, this is most likely a woman who has bombs concealed around her waist, ready to send even her own people to meet their Allah. The so called invading forces are now there at the invitation of their democratic goverments.
Let people call Sports celebrities etc, heroes if they
I despair at some of the one brain cell individuals that are allowed on this site.
They can't understand English never mind write it.
Tjam is a typical example, where does it say that I said "soldiering is a type of race"?
Gromit, forever ready to post some obscure link, but why do you continue to insult me?
sp1814
I was referring to AOG's point about what would happen if they tried to ban the soldier on the basis of his race.
Once again false accusations, I did not say "if they tried to ban the soldier on the basis of his race.
What I did say was hypothetical, if they just banned him because he was a soldier, and he happened to be Black or Brown, there would be many who would play the race card and say they bannned him because of his colour.
Oh! dear Oh! dear I can't be anymore clearer, unless of course I get some colouring pencils and draw you pretty pictures.
andy-hughes a good job we didn't have many stomach churning cowards such as you during the two World Wars.
Anyone who has been in a battle zone is indeed a hero, perhaps he hasn't been decorated for bravery, but then maybe he has, you do not know. It is of no consequence if he has or not. Anyone that has fought side by side with his comrades is a hero, they fight as a unit for a common cause, just as I suppose your friends in Iraq and Afghanistan class their warriors.
Please don't give me that about the Iraqi woman who has lost her husband, children. and home, this is most likely a woman who has bombs concealed around her waist, ready to send even her own people to meet their Allah. The so called invading forces are now there at the invitation of their democratic goverments.
Let people call Sports celebrities etc, heroes if they
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