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When is some one going to put their foot down and change the laws concerning people like these.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7606 190.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7606 190.stm
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I jus posted that link on this thread:
http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question62 3172.html
What a sad story!
http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question62 3172.html
What a sad story!
Christ Almighty!!!
What is wrong with some people? I cannot believe anyone can be so wicked towards anyone, let alone their own child.
Is it wrong of me to wish that the people who decided in their wisdom, to place the little boy back with his mother also suffer with their consciences for the rest of their lives?
What is wrong with some people? I cannot believe anyone can be so wicked towards anyone, let alone their own child.
Is it wrong of me to wish that the people who decided in their wisdom, to place the little boy back with his mother also suffer with their consciences for the rest of their lives?
Yep I think the same Boo but they don't have a consciences.
It's all just work to them.
Whats worse is that they can walk away and go on to have other children to abuse. If Your convicted of child abuse not only should you serve a long sentence and then have your tubes tied so you can't do it again ever. Better still chop off bo**ocks and sew up the Fa**ies so they can't even get a thrill.
It's all just work to them.
Whats worse is that they can walk away and go on to have other children to abuse. If Your convicted of child abuse not only should you serve a long sentence and then have your tubes tied so you can't do it again ever. Better still chop off bo**ocks and sew up the Fa**ies so they can't even get a thrill.
Here we go again - trying to outdo each other with our moral outrage.
No sane person could possibly condone the actions of these people, but the 'eye for an eye', 'I'd do it to them ...' mentality helps no-one - apart from being utterly unconvincing.
Social Services' practices were again at fault, and this where the issue needs to be addressed, not knee-jerk vigilante huffing and puffing.
The 'How could anyone ...' argument is utterly spurious - the individuals are obviously mentally ill, and trying to apply rational thought followed by ten minutes of hyper-ventilating with self-righeous posturing is futile and redundant.
We are still a civilised society, and ranting and raving to strangers doesn't really help anyone.
Does it?
No sane person could possibly condone the actions of these people, but the 'eye for an eye', 'I'd do it to them ...' mentality helps no-one - apart from being utterly unconvincing.
Social Services' practices were again at fault, and this where the issue needs to be addressed, not knee-jerk vigilante huffing and puffing.
The 'How could anyone ...' argument is utterly spurious - the individuals are obviously mentally ill, and trying to apply rational thought followed by ten minutes of hyper-ventilating with self-righeous posturing is futile and redundant.
We are still a civilised society, and ranting and raving to strangers doesn't really help anyone.
Does it?
I love your posts normally Andy, but I can't agree with your sentiments on this occasion.
The day we become de sensitised to these kind of stories and mutter "meh, they're obviously mentally unwell- but what can you do eh?" is the day when society finally collapses.
Anyone with any kind of human empathy cannot fail to be horrified by stories like this.
The day we become de sensitised to these kind of stories and mutter "meh, they're obviously mentally unwell- but what can you do eh?" is the day when society finally collapses.
Anyone with any kind of human empathy cannot fail to be horrified by stories like this.
it does make you wonder why this woman didnt get further help from the doctors, health visitors and social services.
But who did the damage? the man, if so why didnt she seak help, talk to anyone? or the mother, if so why did the man not prevent it. If she was ill and causing these injuries then he has to take half the blame for not getting help for the baby and for her.
And for social services and health visitors not to be keeping a very very close eye on the family is appalling.
But who did the damage? the man, if so why didnt she seak help, talk to anyone? or the mother, if so why did the man not prevent it. If she was ill and causing these injuries then he has to take half the blame for not getting help for the baby and for her.
And for social services and health visitors not to be keeping a very very close eye on the family is appalling.
Hi Boo
As we know, we usually see eye to eye, and actually I don;t think we differ on this issue.
My point is not that people should be de-sensitised and shrug their shoulders - if you read my second paragraph - that is not my issue.
My point is that the constant "I'd do the same to them / throw them to rabid dogs / monsters / I'd pull the lever ..." etc ad nauseum is simply not helpful to anyone anywhere.
What we need is action taken to prevcent these incidents from taking place, not right-wing vigilante hysteria from complete strangers for the 'benefit' of other strangers - it simply doesn't help. It is ugly, nasty, unproductive, and pointless.
That was my point.
Sympathy for the poor child is obviously appropriate - as a parent of three with a grandson not much older than this poor tot, i can have sympathy until doomsday.
But violent ugly futile pointless rage? No thanks.
As we know, we usually see eye to eye, and actually I don;t think we differ on this issue.
My point is not that people should be de-sensitised and shrug their shoulders - if you read my second paragraph - that is not my issue.
My point is that the constant "I'd do the same to them / throw them to rabid dogs / monsters / I'd pull the lever ..." etc ad nauseum is simply not helpful to anyone anywhere.
What we need is action taken to prevcent these incidents from taking place, not right-wing vigilante hysteria from complete strangers for the 'benefit' of other strangers - it simply doesn't help. It is ugly, nasty, unproductive, and pointless.
That was my point.
Sympathy for the poor child is obviously appropriate - as a parent of three with a grandson not much older than this poor tot, i can have sympathy until doomsday.
But violent ugly futile pointless rage? No thanks.
yeah, see your point there andy.
To be honest i'm not a big fan of the "yeah let's string them up/I'll build the gallows myself" brigade either. I honestly believe though the vast majority of people who state such things are just knee jerking reacting to the case. I personally couldn't take anyone's life no matter what they've done, it's just not in me to bring myself to do anything so barbaric.
Quite what the solution is for people like this horrendous couple is I don't know, but I do feel some of the blame here has to lie with the powers that be that saw fit to allow this child back to live with his mother.
To be honest i'm not a big fan of the "yeah let's string them up/I'll build the gallows myself" brigade either. I honestly believe though the vast majority of people who state such things are just knee jerking reacting to the case. I personally couldn't take anyone's life no matter what they've done, it's just not in me to bring myself to do anything so barbaric.
Quite what the solution is for people like this horrendous couple is I don't know, but I do feel some of the blame here has to lie with the powers that be that saw fit to allow this child back to live with his mother.
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That's all well and good Oh-no-NoKnow ... except it isn't is it?
What happens if you mistake a paediatrician for a paedophile? If you read a report in the paper and it's wrong?
You get your hands on a Timothy Evans instead of a John Christie?
Or, heaven forbid, someone bigger and harder and nastier than you takes exception to your sumary justice and beats the cr*p out of you?
What then?
I've said it before, and I will say it again. Laws are what make us civilised. They are far from perfect, but given the choice between an argued trial and summary 'justice' meted out by those who take it upon themselves to be right all the time, I know which leads to a society, and which leads to survival of the nastiest.
Food for thought?
What happens if you mistake a paediatrician for a paedophile? If you read a report in the paper and it's wrong?
You get your hands on a Timothy Evans instead of a John Christie?
Or, heaven forbid, someone bigger and harder and nastier than you takes exception to your sumary justice and beats the cr*p out of you?
What then?
I've said it before, and I will say it again. Laws are what make us civilised. They are far from perfect, but given the choice between an argued trial and summary 'justice' meted out by those who take it upon themselves to be right all the time, I know which leads to a society, and which leads to survival of the nastiest.
Food for thought?
Sorry Andy But what do you suggest?
I don't see any alternitives there.
I don't agree with the hang em high routine but human beings are what they are and the only thing I can think of to get some justice for these children is to make the perp suffer but not with a quick end.
After all if we didn't get as angry as we do there would be more children suffering and the killers walking away with a smile on their face of a job well done.
It does make people angry and you can't condem us for feeling it. it is natural at what seems to be nothing more than evil acts against those who cannot protect themselves.
These people unlike Tim Evans are guilty with doubt. In cases like this these people, especially in this ****** will walk away after a few years free to have more children. Is that right Andy because to my mind if you cannot repect life then you should lose any human rights you have.
There is also nothing worse that those who accuse other with a sense of justice as being wrong. And then not offering any good alternitives themselves.
Call me all the names under the sun and be happy knowing your so right but it won't change my thoughts on poeple like this.
I don't see any alternitives there.
I don't agree with the hang em high routine but human beings are what they are and the only thing I can think of to get some justice for these children is to make the perp suffer but not with a quick end.
After all if we didn't get as angry as we do there would be more children suffering and the killers walking away with a smile on their face of a job well done.
It does make people angry and you can't condem us for feeling it. it is natural at what seems to be nothing more than evil acts against those who cannot protect themselves.
These people unlike Tim Evans are guilty with doubt. In cases like this these people, especially in this ****** will walk away after a few years free to have more children. Is that right Andy because to my mind if you cannot repect life then you should lose any human rights you have.
There is also nothing worse that those who accuse other with a sense of justice as being wrong. And then not offering any good alternitives themselves.
Call me all the names under the sun and be happy knowing your so right but it won't change my thoughts on poeple like this.
I think people that do this kind of stuff to babies and children should be put through the worst pain possible and be put through an even more painfull and slow death!
why is there STILL not any real protection for babies and children?? Why is it ok for and loser to produce a child?? children are the most precious things in this world, yet they get get used and abused like that is their purpose!! as a mother, nothing makes me more angry and upset..
At least this poor baby is somewhere safe now and no longer being put through pain!
why is there STILL not any real protection for babies and children?? Why is it ok for and loser to produce a child?? children are the most precious things in this world, yet they get get used and abused like that is their purpose!! as a mother, nothing makes me more angry and upset..
At least this poor baby is somewhere safe now and no longer being put through pain!
These cases will always occur. There are some very sick individuals who - to be honest, I don't get their mental processes. It just doesn't make sense.
...and every time I hear a story of gross child abuse, I think the same thing..."why can't someone sit these people down (after they've gone to jail) and ask them why they did it?"
That's the bit I don't get. For what purpose did you do that? What did you get out of it? Was it fun? Did you want to see how far you could go?
If someone robs a bank, you know why. If someone defrauds an insurance company, you know why....but child abuse? It has no purpose.
It makes no sense.
Also...why can't the two accused be named???
...and every time I hear a story of gross child abuse, I think the same thing..."why can't someone sit these people down (after they've gone to jail) and ask them why they did it?"
That's the bit I don't get. For what purpose did you do that? What did you get out of it? Was it fun? Did you want to see how far you could go?
If someone robs a bank, you know why. If someone defrauds an insurance company, you know why....but child abuse? It has no purpose.
It makes no sense.
Also...why can't the two accused be named???
Hi tigerlilly
What I suggest is tha sufficient funds and training are put into Social Services to stop this kind of thing happening. That is the best response, in my view.
I don't condemn anyone for being angry - that is not the point I am making.
My point is that this 'I can think of a more angry self-righteous torture for these people than you ...' postings on a site like this are simply not helpful.
Of course any sane person feels a sense of outrage at pain being caused to innocent children, that is a normal human reaction, I personally feel that venting such feelings to strangers is a waste of time - but if it makes people feel better, then so be it - I would never claim the moral high ground on this issue, I simply think that spreading anger and hate is futile and destructive.
In conclusion, I am not calling anyone with a sense of justice 'wrong' - that again is not the point I am making.
The ranting solutions are not about justice, they are about revenge, and a reaction of fear and disgust - all perfectly human, but futile and unhelpful.
Why not donate �100 to the NSPCC, and make yourself feel better in a way that actually does something about the problem?
Finally, I don;t think I am 'so right' - I simply have a different viewpoint. And I never have called anyone any names.
What I suggest is tha sufficient funds and training are put into Social Services to stop this kind of thing happening. That is the best response, in my view.
I don't condemn anyone for being angry - that is not the point I am making.
My point is that this 'I can think of a more angry self-righteous torture for these people than you ...' postings on a site like this are simply not helpful.
Of course any sane person feels a sense of outrage at pain being caused to innocent children, that is a normal human reaction, I personally feel that venting such feelings to strangers is a waste of time - but if it makes people feel better, then so be it - I would never claim the moral high ground on this issue, I simply think that spreading anger and hate is futile and destructive.
In conclusion, I am not calling anyone with a sense of justice 'wrong' - that again is not the point I am making.
The ranting solutions are not about justice, they are about revenge, and a reaction of fear and disgust - all perfectly human, but futile and unhelpful.
Why not donate �100 to the NSPCC, and make yourself feel better in a way that actually does something about the problem?
Finally, I don;t think I am 'so right' - I simply have a different viewpoint. And I never have called anyone any names.
