Where are the UKIP?

[JockSporran]

The Daily Mail and its readership are to the right of the Tories but stop short of supporting the BNP. Well, what about the UKIP? The are not overtly neo-fascist or racist, but they are to the right of the Tories. They are anti-EU and want to freeze immigration. We don't seem to hear much about them though. How come?

[jno]

I think they're just too small. From the point of view of a newspaper it wants to position itself near one of the big parties, in order to aim at big readership. If the Mail became known as 'the UKIP paper', who would read it?

In other words the decision is commercial rather than political.

[anotheoldgit]

The only reason that the Daily Mail is to the right of the Tories is because the Tories have moved further to the left.

Why? only they know, unless it is a vote catching exercise so as to appease some of the ethnic population of this country.

[R1Geezer]

UKIP are not right or left they span the whole range. People who hate the EU come in all political hues.

[sp1814]

The Daily Mail's readership are by and large 'middle Englanders', with a scattering of idiots who believe everything they read (because that's easier than analyzing the news). For it to switch political support to the UKIP would damage it's 'fan base' and confirm to the rest of what we already suspect of it.

[delboy3]

UKIP are the BNP in suits

[anotheoldgit]

You may analyze your news sp1814, but who is to say that your own end analysis on it is indeed the correct one?

I may not agree with your analysis, but I would not be as rude to call you an idiot, my upbringing would not allow it.

I will ask again why are the Left so rude?

One has only to listen to George Galloway on Talk Sport Radio, to see what I mean. Just listen to him call anyone who do not agree with his left-wing views, idiots, brain dead etc, before cutting them off, why?

[jno]

aog, why did you assume sp1814 was talking about you? Your upbringing evidently allows you to call people who disagree with you 'loony lefties', which sounds rude to me.

[sp1814]

AOG. I have nothing to say to you, except that one of your recent posts crossed the line. Before that I could argue with you, but now I can't reasonably converse with you. I think your views are abhorrent, poorly thought out and simple-minded.

[tigerlily11]

Probably sitting in a Uskip somewhere along with a few other bad ideas.

[jno]

lol tigerlily

[Kromovaracun]

Probably sitting in a Uskip somewhere

Ba-dum Tish!

[Quinlad]

Just when the think AOG can't get any better he comes out with another absolute belter.

"I may not agree with your analysis, but I would not be as rude to call you an idiot, my upbringing would not allow it."

That's an upbringing that produced these examples of politeness in the last week or two alone:

- "you ranting Left-Wing nutters are a little short on brain cells"
- "i think its time for you to see someone about your condition, as you appear to be mentally unstable"
- "if you still don't comprehend, is there an adult you could ask?"
- Referring to black people as "creatures" and "the savages they are".

Without irony, he then says: "I will ask again why are the Left so rude?"

I do love it when that crowd start moralising about politeness and good manners - seemingly forgetting that they're the same crowd who berate the 'PC-brigade' for stopping them using terms like 'n*gger' and 'f*ggot'.

[anotheoldgit]

Quinlad

I am getting a little sick of you bending what I say to make it fit in with your own agenda, this is what you are constantly blaming the DM of doing.

You constantly quoting my postings out of context

"you ranting Left-Wing nutters are a little short on brain cells"

This was in answer to the following incorrect remark, seeing that it was under a left wing party that we invaded another's country..............

Maybe you ranting right-wing nutters ought to think a bit harder about the consequences before invading other countries eh?

- "i think its time for you to see someone about your condition, as you appear to be mentally unstable"

It was not me who said this but Steve5..........

Steve.5 well ******** if you think being killed is sensible then i think its time for you to see someone about your condition, as you appear to be mentally unstable

I did not say it was sensible to be killed. Given a choice to kill or be killed, it would be sensible to choose the former (that is to kill).
Can't be any clearer I'm afraid, if you still don't comprehend, is there an adult you could ask?

And finally yet another misquote,

Referring to black people as "creatures" and "the savages they are".

I was referring to the "creatures" and "the Savages" (who happened to be black) 10 of them who ganged raped a school girl with learning difficulties, then poured acid over her, also a similar gang rape by another 15 black youths while they recording the event their mobile phones.

These "creatures" "savages" deserve these discriptions, be them black, white, or sky blue pink. In this case they were black, no escaping from that.














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[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

Please explain yourself, if you are referring to my post on the gangs of black youths who ganged raped two school girls, then what are you saying that I should not have called them savages or creatures?

I make no opologies for this, just because they happened to be black, I would have been equally appalled if they had been of any other colour.

I know you are a black person but I think you are completely wrong to try and defend these creatures.

[sp1814]

AOG - Please believe me when I say this: I have nothing to say to you any more. I think you have shown a side to your character which I find truly disgraceful.

My mum brought me up to ignore and disassociate myself from people who hate black people (her logic is that you only have a limited time on Earth, so why waste it on those who are undeserving of your attention).

You have proven yourself to be both obsessed with running down blacks and Muslims at every given opportunity, which in itself can be challenging - but you now couch it in language deliberately chosen to cause offence. I won't read your posts as there are more important things to do.

I hope you have a pleasant Christmas and a happy new year. This will be the last response you'll see from me.

[jno]

AOG

"The next time you hand-wringing loony liberal lefties accuse our troops in Iraq or Afganistan... "

You said that. I have no doubt it does reflect your upbringing. I also have no doubt that you are rude. I am baffled about why you are now pretending you aren't. Your own words are preserved on this site forever for students of rudeness to admire.

(Oh, and it's rude of sp1814 to call you an idiot but it's okay if you call Brown one? I call that double standards.)

[Quinlad]

"If you are referring to my post on the gangs of black youths who ganged raped two school girls, then what are you saying that I should not have called them savages or creatures?"

Nice try. But you know what you said.

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

I am so sorry you have taken this attitude. This is for News topics and most of the items that I posted on, were when gun and knife murders happened, and they were committed mostly by Black youths, and most terrorist crimes when they happened were committed by Muslims.

This is fact and has nothing to do with whether or not I like Blacks or Muslims overall, only the viciousness of the crimes some of them commit, as I would condemn other persons if they did the same, regardless of their colour or religion.

It has been said in the past, the Blacks and the Muslims are their own worse enemies, and do nothing for their cause by not coming out and condemning the actions of some of their own.

Perhaps over the festivities you will come to understand partly where I am coming from, and even if we do not agree with each other's argument, it will not stop us from once again entering into lively debate.

In the meantime, I also wish you and your's a Merry Christmas & a Happy New Year

[jno]

a couple of recent murder cases, AOG: Rachel Nickell and Rhys Jones.

Got any links to the threads where you called the (white) killers savages or creatures?

[jake-the-peg]

To get back to the question the UKIP are nowhere because they're a one issue party.

Basically opposing anything they see as foreign from the EU to the metric system.

When that's high on the agenda they can get media attention but right now as Bill Cliton said "It's the economy stupid!" and they just don't have anything much to say on that.

Should keep the Tories happy because although UKIP members come from all walks of life they are predominantly disaffected Tories and so split the Tory vote.