What is going wrong?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-110055 4/Police-called-10-000-violent-cases-schools-y ear.html

How has it come to down to this?

What is going wrong?

And before anyone says that it is no different to years ago, and we are looking through rose tinted specs at the good old days. I can assure you that school children of yester-year were nowhere near like they are today.

So what is the answer, bring back corporal punishment perhaps? Or has it now gone too far, to such an extent that the problem is now irreversible?

Who do we have to thank for that?

[Davethedog]

Your wrong - its exactly the way it was.

Whats happened now is political correctness.

In the past a playground fight could be sorted out by teachers, a clip round the ear, a canning, an expulsion etc

Now none of that can be done so any violence has to be handled by the police.

There is also the fact that everything is now "in the media" we have so many news sorces that they are hungry for "news".

I don't belive that this generation of kids is any worse than any other, what I do believe is that society has become so sensative that it is letting these kids down.

Spare the rod spoil the child may not be true in real terms but in society it appears to be true.

[Quinlad]

Compulsory National Service from the age of 9.

[Gromit]

Two of the four example the Mail give occurred off school premises.

Harsh discipline meted out in schools in the past mostly disguised poor teaching ability.

[jake-the-peg]

How many actual prtosecutions from these "Violent cases"?

Precious few I'll bet!

[sqad617]

gromit, you are absolutely correct, since "harsh treatment " has been abolished in schools, the standard of teaching has soared.......very few come out of school without "some sort" of qualification and almost 80% go on to further education...................but oddly enough, they can't spell, and many unemployable.

Come on "spare the rod and spool the child" masked bad teaching methods......small % of cases maybe.

[carrust]

AOG.Were you ever caned at school?

[Davethedog]

I'm not talking about "harsh discipline" i'm talking about discipline.

I went to an inner city comp - I was caught smoking I got canned. I was in a fight I got grabbed by the scruff of the neck, canned and detention.

Bad teaching?? Everyone I knew could read, write and do thier times table when they left primary school.

I didn't hear the words dyslexia, disfunctional or attention deficancy until I was a parent

But then I live in the real world.

[carrust]

I was slapped,caned, hit with a board rubber, had my hair pulled, clobbered with a stool-ball bat, thumped, nipped & hit with a ruler...All of this happened in infant & junior school.

Good old days...My ar$e!!!!

[123everton]

Some really good answers here and a bit of truth in all of them.
Trouble is these days is you can't do anything when a child misbehaves, I'll have a kid bunk on I'll say to him "get off" he says "no" ok now what, I can't grab him and throw him off, inspectors will take hours to arrive, so what do I do?
Ignore it and drive off? No, I have to call the Police for a stupid little row over 80p.
Kids are getting worse, much worse, I've seen it with my own eyes daily.

[Supernick]

There's what 4500 secondary schools in the UK? And 10,000 violent incidents. 2 per year at each school, of which it could be anything from a fight between kids to the more serious crimes, which I might add are pretty rare.

It's not exactly a catastrophic Lord of the Flies scenario, with feral kids taking over the world.

[tabytha]

if you teach your children wots right and wrong and to treat other people as they wish to be treated themselves then you wont go wrong. start at home its wot my parents did with me and wot iv always done with my children

[anotheoldgit]

carrust

Well have you stabbed anyone recently then?

No? Well there you go, it did you some good then.

[rov1200]

You have to ask yourself why the wetter we come in handing out punishment to school kids the more aggressive and violent they become to others.

These problems rarely existed in past generations.

Whats that saying "spare the rod, spoil the child"?

[rov1200]

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/328950.html

[carrust]

AOG. No, I never stabbed anyone, but I know a few who went off the rails after suffering similar treatment. BTW, the main culprit who was doling out the punishment was an ex army Sgt Major....A bastian of the old school

[keyplus90]

Family issue is right at the top for me, �My child is always right� thinking gives kids encouragement. Some time this encouragement is for something they better should have been discouraged about. You ask parents of the killers in recent knife crimes, and many (surely not all) would be glad that their son stabbed someone and that is a certificate that he is tough.

Children surely learn from parents, and parental situation is not ideal either due to social, financial and other burdens of modern life and benefit systme of the coutry.

Then comes in law. Few people surely are abusive towards kids and even majority of them are not usually real parents. For that whole nation has to suffer a ban about even a slap on the back of a hand when their child misbehaves. I do not agree with that, if my child goes out of control due to my negligence and lack of training then I will suffer. So I don�t care about these laws and do give a small slap to my kids if they don�t behave. Result is so far very good, ideal behavior reports from their school. But I dread thinking that all the kids might not be same in their schools and most of the times children with good behavior get caught in others trouble.

[Supernick]

Does anyone else not think that 2 violent incidents per school, per year is not unexpexted? Can you remember when your were at school? We certainly had fights etc every month. This is the Tories trying to wehip up scary figures without people having the foresight to remember just how many schools there are.

[sqad617]

supernick......yes I do.
Two VIOLENT crimes against teachers, some with knives, each year ...abnormal?....cause I bl00dy do. I look back and cannot recall ANY violent crimes against teachers in TEN years, let alone one. Come on supernick.....surely something is going wrong here.

[123everton]

People not just kids flip these days I view them as temper tantrums but by adults, if you get kicked and punched by a 2 year old it's nothing, by a 20 year old and you need stitches.
I do remember about 17 years ago a teacher getting attacked with a hammer by 2 pupils in Anfield Comp, but another example (and close to home too) is the Martin Geogiev case, what one has to consider is that an English man sought to drop a paving stone on anothers head why?
Had'nt he recieved enough of a kicking?
You get into a fight these days you've got to be willing to face losing your life, cos they don't know when to stop anymore

[Supernick]

There's no mention of it being against teachers, sqad. This is any violent or potentially violent incident that the police are called to a school for. So anything from trouble making kids from another school hanging around the gates waiting to beat someone up, right up to an assault on a teacher. And yeah, it should be as low as we can get it, but two per year is not an enormous amount.