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Are you a pushy parent?
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1158 479/The-Government-stop-blaming-pushy-parents- start-pushing-better-schools-everyone.html
What is the solution to this school placement lottery, by post code, random lottery, or ability?
I myself think that in a State Education system, there should be no difference in the standard of education taught by teachers of the same professional ability.
If this cannot be achieved because of the difference of ability in children from deprived areas (I will correct this later because deprived is the wrong word). Then perhaps the return of Grammar Schools is the answer.
Deprived areas:
These areas are not actually deprived since they constantly get large amounts of government cash provided to help and improve these areas. It is the people of these areas themselves who do nothing to improve their lifestyle.
What is the solution to this school placement lottery, by post code, random lottery, or ability?
I myself think that in a State Education system, there should be no difference in the standard of education taught by teachers of the same professional ability.
If this cannot be achieved because of the difference of ability in children from deprived areas (I will correct this later because deprived is the wrong word). Then perhaps the return of Grammar Schools is the answer.
Deprived areas:
These areas are not actually deprived since they constantly get large amounts of government cash provided to help and improve these areas. It is the people of these areas themselves who do nothing to improve their lifestyle.
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We have the 11 plus in our area in Buckinghamshire.
there is an exam at 11 and the top percentage go to Grammar school the lower to what used to be called "secondary moderns"
It's a disaster.
The Grammar school is excellent, the secondary modern is apalling. Teacher morale is dreadfull and consequently there's a huge turnover - they're now in the failing category.
They don't get "large amounts of Government cash" they get much less per pupil.
It's not even fairly on ability. Richer parents can pay for tutors and they put immense pressure on the kids to pass. They also fare better in the appeals procedure.
A lot of kids actually do less well in the Grammar schools than they would in a comprehensive because of the intense pressure that exists there.
I don't know what the best way forward for education is but I'm pretty sure having close experience of it that Grammar schools are NOT it
there is an exam at 11 and the top percentage go to Grammar school the lower to what used to be called "secondary moderns"
It's a disaster.
The Grammar school is excellent, the secondary modern is apalling. Teacher morale is dreadfull and consequently there's a huge turnover - they're now in the failing category.
They don't get "large amounts of Government cash" they get much less per pupil.
It's not even fairly on ability. Richer parents can pay for tutors and they put immense pressure on the kids to pass. They also fare better in the appeals procedure.
A lot of kids actually do less well in the Grammar schools than they would in a comprehensive because of the intense pressure that exists there.
I don't know what the best way forward for education is but I'm pretty sure having close experience of it that Grammar schools are NOT it
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Steve has hit the nail fairly and squarely on the head, and driven it right home:
�...its a partnership between the parents & the school to do the best for the child..�
Many parents do not take any interest in their child�s education. They see it as solely a function for schools (which many see as a convenient free child minding service). Some take more of an interest. They get involved in the school�s activities and help their offspring with their homework. They support their child, and if they see the need for additional tuition they have the audacity to use their own money to pay for it (instead of going to the pub or the bookies or Florida � often in term time). For their troubles they are labelled �pushy�.
I lived on a council estate. My father was a painter and decorator. I went to a grammar school. Many of my pals did not as they did not pass the eleven plus. They went to comprehensive schools which were, in terms of pupil/parent satisfaction, just as good as my grammar school. They came out as well educated rounded individuals able to make their way in the world. They may not have become brain surgeons or stockbrokers, but neither did I. Some have gone on to considerably greater success than me. All of us had supportive parents who took an interest in our education and our future. Today they would all be labelled �pushy�.
Lower achieving schools are usually found in �deprived� areas (and I agree with theoldgit, they are not deprived at all). A method should be devised to measure the depth of parents� involvement with their children�s education and the standard of education those children achieve.
Yes, State education is a disaster in some areas, and it is no wonder that many parents feel the need to make considerable sacrifices to �go private�. But it is not all the fault of schools.
Meanwhile, all power to the �pushy� parents.
�...its a partnership between the parents & the school to do the best for the child..�
Many parents do not take any interest in their child�s education. They see it as solely a function for schools (which many see as a convenient free child minding service). Some take more of an interest. They get involved in the school�s activities and help their offspring with their homework. They support their child, and if they see the need for additional tuition they have the audacity to use their own money to pay for it (instead of going to the pub or the bookies or Florida � often in term time). For their troubles they are labelled �pushy�.
I lived on a council estate. My father was a painter and decorator. I went to a grammar school. Many of my pals did not as they did not pass the eleven plus. They went to comprehensive schools which were, in terms of pupil/parent satisfaction, just as good as my grammar school. They came out as well educated rounded individuals able to make their way in the world. They may not have become brain surgeons or stockbrokers, but neither did I. Some have gone on to considerably greater success than me. All of us had supportive parents who took an interest in our education and our future. Today they would all be labelled �pushy�.
Lower achieving schools are usually found in �deprived� areas (and I agree with theoldgit, they are not deprived at all). A method should be devised to measure the depth of parents� involvement with their children�s education and the standard of education those children achieve.
Yes, State education is a disaster in some areas, and it is no wonder that many parents feel the need to make considerable sacrifices to �go private�. But it is not all the fault of schools.
Meanwhile, all power to the �pushy� parents.
I totally agree with most that as been posted.
But the fact remains that not all schools have the same opportunities, facilities and academic standard of teachers. and it is this fact that needs to be attended to.
In this I mean regardless of a child's parents wealth, interest in their child's education etc., etc.. All children should have equal chance of gaining a good education, at schools which are of the same standard both in staff and amenities.
There should be no need for parents to go to extreme measures, such as moving house or even changing religion to obtain a place at any one particular school.
Of course it as already been said that some children will have parents that wil help them through the process of learning and others will not have this, but all should be given an equal chance to obtain the best, while in the confines of the school.
But the fact remains that not all schools have the same opportunities, facilities and academic standard of teachers. and it is this fact that needs to be attended to.
In this I mean regardless of a child's parents wealth, interest in their child's education etc., etc.. All children should have equal chance of gaining a good education, at schools which are of the same standard both in staff and amenities.
There should be no need for parents to go to extreme measures, such as moving house or even changing religion to obtain a place at any one particular school.
Of course it as already been said that some children will have parents that wil help them through the process of learning and others will not have this, but all should be given an equal chance to obtain the best, while in the confines of the school.
Never mind about pushy parents, or kids requiring their parents support.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-115966 2/Boy-8-taught-read-tutors-mother-GCSEs.html
Perhaps some parents would be glad of help from their pushy kids?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-115966 2/Boy-8-taught-read-tutors-mother-GCSEs.html
Perhaps some parents would be glad of help from their pushy kids?
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