Is David Starkey amazingly insightful here?

[R1Geezer]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/80 16440.stm
There's a Blue Geezer Badge for the first one to mention one of the main things they mention when discussing the sweaties!

[jake-the-peg]

"We don't make a great fuss about Shakespeare like the Scots do about that deeply boring provincial poet Burns."

No of course we don't - it's not like we make it a mandatory part of every schoolchilds English Sylabus.

Or have featured him on banknotes, of have a huge industry around Stratford-upon-Avon

Or have a National theatre with Royal Patronage devoted to his works


Is the man an idiot?

[carrust]

He also forgets to mention that most of the great engineers that came from Britain are Scottish!

[jake-the-peg]

I think you may just have won Geezers prize.

It's a rather feeble attempt to undermine anybody pointing out the obvious flaws in the argument by saying that they're obvious and so shouldn't be made (regardless of whether they are true)

But he doesn't seem on top debating form today so I guess we'll have to cut him some slack

[youngmafbog]

What have Scots and piles got in common?

They are both much better when they go back up again !

Do I win ?

[R1Geezer]

Nope that's not it Jake!

[jake-the-peg]

Is it "Who gae you penicillin?"

Tarmac roads?

Radar?

Gas Lighting?

Cloroform?

Pneumatic tyres?

Television?

The telephone?

---Gosh it's a lot for a small silly little nation isn't it? ---

Beta blockers?

The Bubble chamber?

Oh ! I know!

You're going on about the Oil!

[jake-the-peg]

To be honest it's not really a very good argument is it?

When you look at the Scientists, Doctors, Academics and inventions that have come out of Scotland it really is quite remarkable for the size of the place.

If he'd made it about Wales I'd have had a much harder time trying to shoot it down.

Maybe they haven't had many great historians - after all that's what counts eh David?

[paraffin]

young:

I don't "get" what you mean. Please explain?

geezer: "sweaties"?

[R1Geezer]

The TV as in the CRT was invented by Braun, the Baird version was not practical, there is one in the science museum but the CRT predates it by 10 years or so.. The telephone was stolen of some Italian Bloke, it was in QI the other night. The first to use rader was Christian Hulsmeyer, doesn't sound like a sweaty to me. I'll give you Tarmac though!

No blue Geezer badge yet! It's something the sweaties always whine about, incorrectly of course!

[R1Geezer]

sorry Jake, I missed your last bit, Yes congrats it's the English oil! You get the Blue Geezer badge, wear with pride! Didn't know you were one of our beskirted cousins!

[R1Geezer]

Gas lighting was indeed first acheived by a sweaty, William Murdoch, but he based it on the gas extraction from coal technique from Dr Stephen Hales, from Kent, some 50 tears earlier.

[R1Geezer]

chloroform was discovered by a septic tank in 1831, Samual Guthrie. You still have Tarmac Jake!

[R1Geezer]

Bubble chamber invented by Donald Glaser in 1960, another septic. Where did you get that list jake?

[paraffin]

C'mon geezer, answer the question!

And you, young!

[R1Geezer]

It's Rhymming slang, Parafin

[youngmafbog]

Parrafin, just for you.

Piles AKA haemorrhoids/nobbies/chalfonts/dangleberries when severe hang out your backside causing great discomfort. When pushed back up again there is great relief.

Sweaties when in England whine on and on about how good Scotland is but never seem to want to live there. However if they do go back up (as in up North) there is also great relief.

Hence they both have in common a great relief when they go back up.

[carrust]

This is a better list.http://www.scottish-crafts.co.uk/history/inven tors.htm
I'm not a jock BTW, but I believe in giving credit, where credit's due.

[youngmafbog]

Jake the kilt perhaps eh R1 ?

Lets not forget they sweaties also have a tendancy to side with the Frenchies.

And scrounge of the English.

And McBottles one. I mean who whould want to be associated in any way with that.

[anotheoldgit]

David Starkey, also said we don't live in a democracy.

But he failed to mention that we no longer live in a country of free speech, so he should be careful what he says or he might offend someone.

Oh! my mistake he has already done so, still it makes a change from offending the Muslims.

[jake-the-peg]

Who "invented" what is often a vexed question.

Like Edison and the Electric light bulb - he wasn't the first but he made it practical.

Huymeyer got a patent but nobody was interested Watson-Watt's version "won the war"

And Baird's system was practical enough tho transmit between London and Glasgow and his method of Colour TV was taken up and used in the US.

I'm not a Scot - I just think it's a very very bad argument on Starkey's part

And that bit about Shakespere is simply dellusional

Must have been a liquid lunch!