Positive sexual discriminatation

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-117389 5/Harmans-equality-allow-employers-positively- discriminate-men.html

Employers could be allowed to choose female candidates ahead of equally qualified men because they are women.

It will allow bosses to avoid sexual discrimination cases

She said the same rules would apply to candidates from ethnic minorities.

If this Woman is allowed to go through with this bill, the only persons that can be legally discriminated against are White British males.

How can this be fair let alone legal?

[paraffin]

Just as much as it's been fair and legal for donkey's years to allow women to be paid far lower amounts than men in many cases and for bosses to have discriminated against prospective employees on the grounds of the latter's ethnicity.

The vast majority of "White British males" didn't seem to object to such practices going on for decade after decade, perhaps they will be just as understanding if and when this legislation ever comes in?

[anotheoldgit]

paraffin

Just as much as it's been fair and legal for donkey's years to allow women to be paid far lower amounts than men

Perhaps you would care to read this?

The Equal Pay Act of 1970 makes it unlawful for employers to discriminate between men and women in their pay and conditions where they are doing the same or similar work; work rated as equivalent; or work of equal value.

Men have been made to move with the times, regarding equality.

Now it would seem that this act would be a retrospect step, with White British men becoming the victims of totally unlawful discrimination.

[flip_flop]

Positive Discrimination is discrimation. Period. There is nothing positive about it.

[paraffin]

aog:

Yes of course I'm well aware of what "should" happen, but get into the real world - when have a few scraps of legislation stopped the unscrupulous and dishonest?

It's not something I condone but that's what happens, believe it or not. Where have you been all this time, aog, stuck in a cave in cloud cuckoo land?

[tubeway]

So if you know how it feels to be discriminated against and treated unfairly - why do you feel that the correct solution would be to treat someone else unfairly and discriminate against them.

[sp1814]

This is redressing the obvious imbalances that women face in the workplace. When 97% of FTSE listed companies are chaired by men, you have to ask yourself what can be done to give women a fair crack of the whip.

As we are constantly told, one of Britain's finest Prime Ministers was a woman...why is it, that 35 years after she made it to the top that the glass ceiling is still intact?

[Haggisdj]

If women are cheaper to employ, why aren't companies hiring more women than men? It would make economic sense.

[flip_flop]

From the article;

"Miss Harman said: 'If you have got two equally qualified candidates, you might actually want to have the woman because she is a woman"

Fair enough, but equally....

If there are two equally qualified candidates, you might actually want to have the man because he is a man.

Why is this so wrong?

It should be entirely up to the employer, when faced with two equally qualified people, to choose who the hell they like (and let's face, in reality, this is what will still happen).

I have never understood how two equally qualified and capable people can be paid different salaries just because one happens to have an 'inny' and the other has an 'outy' - this is what needs to be tackled, not the half-arsed gimmicky idiocy Harman is proposing.

Frankly, I'm surprised Harman, who is becoming increasingly more absurd with each passing day, hasn't tried to make it law that you must choose the woman over the man regardless of qualification.

[ludwig]

"Frankly, I'm surprised Harman, who is becoming increasingly more absurd with each passing day, hasn't tried to make it law that you must choose the woman over the man regardless of qualification. "

That's probably the next stage of the plan, when the quotas come into effect. Luckily that will never happen because she'll be looking for a job herself by then.

[anotheoldgit]

paraffin

when have a few scraps of legislation stopped the unscrupulous and dishonest?

Maybe, it is a fact that there are many who will try to break the law, and many are successful.

But regarding equal rights, the law says women should be paid on an equal basis to men.

Therefore if a female is doing an equal job to her male equivalent yet is not getting an equal salary, then she has the full weight of the law on her side, and she would be a fool not to take her employer to court.

[paraffin]

aog:

I couldn't agree more with your last post, of course such discrimination should never occur in the first place, but it does and has done for many a long year.

But, sadly, Utopia does not, nor will ever, exist, not as long as we humans are the so-called "superior beings" on this earth.

Discrimination in any form is wrong but it is unavoidable in a species with the power of thought, opinion and preference.

[ludwig]

A typical nonsensical and unfair solution from the government - rather than making it harder for companies to discriminate against women and ethnic minorities they want to make it easier for them to discriminate against men and whites - yes that'll redress the balance.

Why don't they concentrate on making sure the laws that are already in place are properly applied?