Why should they be descriminated against?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-120448 3/Soldiers-attending-funeral-Afghanistan-hero- banned-bar-military-uniform.html

The UK now has legislation prohibiting discrimination on the grounds of race, religion and belief, sex, sexual orientation and transgender status, disability and age.

Isn't it not time for another body of people to be added to this list?

I refer of course, to members of Her Majesties Forces.

[Mailmutt]

Distateful maybe, but bars and clubs have ther right to refuse entry or have entry standars - hardly the same thing.

[fredpuli47]

Was the bar manager, Grant Page, lying when he said the reason why he turned them away was that he had heard that 100 soldiers had been drinking all day and that some were heading for his bar, that he had to protect the interests of his customers and it was heartbreaking but he had to do it in those interests? [see AOG's link]

There was, maybe still is, a pub in Guildford that had a sign saying 'no army and no lawyers'. I think that lawyers should be added to AOG's list ! [Guildford had a big law school for solicitors. Presumably both they and members of the forces had caused trouble in the past.]

[sp1814]

I suppose if an Eastbourne furniture salesman can ban foreign students from his shop, others have the right to ban army personnel from their establishments.

The same subject came up on AB about a year ago. Apparently a very small number of our armed forces misbehave (like your average boozed up 20-something) when on leave.

I wouldn't know, never come into contact with soldiers on leave.

AOG, have you?

[fredpuli47]

I used to live near Colchester, which is a 'military town' (and also home to the Army's own prison). Soldiers were quite often causing trouble there, from drunken behaviour to throwing practice explosives and quite a bit else. Usually the locals simply called the barracks and got the troublemakers carted off by the army ! They weren't keen on barring all soldiers because that was bad for business. These bits of bad behaviour were followed by apologies and promises from the relevant commanding officer..Unfortunately not every town nor every bar is as well placed in that regard. Mind, that was all as nothing compared to what you'd encounter in court martials in Germany!

[hc4361]

This wasn't the wake, it was midnight, many hours after the funeral.
Another example of the Mail making a mountain out of a pimple.

[anotheoldgit]

hc4361

This wasn't the wake, it was midnight, many hours after the funeral.

Didn't know that one had to put a time limit on a few mourners getting together for a drink.

Haven't you ever been to a gathering ie Wedding, funeral, or retirement bash, and a number of younger ones have arranged to go on to a late night bar afterwards?

[anotheoldgit]

Presumably both they and members of the forces had caused trouble in the past.

Maybe, but in the Army's case they have their own methods of dealing with their personnel who step out of line.

More than can be said for civilians who are normally just given the 'blind eye' treatment from the police, or at the worst a slapped wrist.

It would seem inconceivable (if not illegal) for a bar or any other establishment, who had had trouble in the past say, with a few ethnic minorities, or gays etc to ban all those that fit into these groups.

[tamborine]

Most pubs in M'head are run by Irish & Asians, for their own clique.

The Black-Bear hotel bar would have welcomed them & be able to cope with the numbers.

[sp1814]

AOG

So you'd agree that no service provider should be allowed to ban anyone from their shop/bar?

You'd condemn the furniture shop owner then?

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

You'd condemn the furniture shop owner then?

If you would care to post a link with the details to this, I can then give you an answer.

[Gromit]

Possibly they were not banned because they were soldiers (soldiers not in uniform were admitted) but because they were drunk.

Unfortunately, soldiers are not always disciplined and fights and drunkeness are commonplace.

These soldiers were removed from a passenger jet. Do you think that was discrimination as well?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/ 03/25/60-british-soldiers-removed-from-jet-in- booze-row-115875-21226099/

[DKnewsES]

...surely they were entitled to a drink after spending six months in war torn Cyprus...what a way to treat our boys...

[sp1814]

AOG

Here you go:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sussex/8182 558.stm

[berniecuddles]

HOW TO PUT THIS NOT TO UPSET YOU DO-GOODERS
would the manager of the bar have banned 10 or so women coming in with their faces hidden behind their veils and other entire!!

ME THINKS NOT!!!

WHAT A COUNTRY- GOOD LUCK TO ALL WHO FIGHT FOR HER MAJESTY'S COUNTRY WE ARE PROUD OF YOU!!!!!!!

[sp1814]

bernie6969

What are you talking about?

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

Totally agree with you on this one.

Since the problem was down to food and drink being consumed in the store, then it would have been more appropriate for the furniture shop proprietor to have put a notice up, stating 'no drinks or food to be taken inside the store'.

This would have then covered everyone likely to offend, not just foreign students.

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

bernie6969, what are you talking about

I think like most of us he/she, is just asking for a 'Level Playing Field'