What a waste of space.....

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This horrible, evil monster has just been given a prison sentence - they should throw away the key & let him rot as far as I'n concerened:

http://www.24dash.com...ld-care-home-resident

There but for fortune go one of our elderly relatives.

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sp *I'm concerned*

Apparently he's been given a life sentence, which probably means that if he's good, he'll be released one day to enjoy the rest of his life - shame his poor victim couldn't enjoy the rest of hers in comfort....

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http://www.24dash.com...e_PA_dale_boocock.jpg

His parents must be proud of him........who said Britain was "broken?"

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Yeah, that picture's on my link Sqad.

He looks a right evil little git!

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Further to bob's comments regarding my thread on CB about Katie Price getting married - p'raps I should have posted this 'much more important' thread on ChatterBank - it might have received more response.

Isn't that right bob?

[Rev Sermon]

If Britains "broken" perhaps one of the reasons is lack of a suitable deterrent. It may sound barbaric but if we had both capital and corporal punishment it might make a little shtt like this think twice.

The garbage of our society aren't put of by the thought of a spell in prison but I suspect a few public floggings would radically reduce the crime rate. Sadly we have to recognise the human rights of criminals even if they don't respect those of others.

[jake-the-peg]

I think Rev that comes more from your desire for retribution than straight thinking about change.

This sort of crime didn't just start when hanging and flogging was abolished you know and you only have to look at crime rates in the US where the death sentence is still in place to see that deterrant don't work.

There's no surprise in that - why should deterrants work when people are drunk or high on drugs or don't think that they will be caught?

You can make the penalty slow roasting over an open fire but if one in a thousand are caught it'll do no good.

The penalties are enough of a dettrant as things stand - he's been given an IPP which means an indeterminant prison sentence - he has to show evidence that he's safe to be released he can't just "do the time".

Any body who thinks Britain's suddenly become "broken" is invited to look up who "sweet Fanny Adams" was.

[Booldawg]

and Lizzie Borden who took an axe...etc...etc....

[jake-the-peg]

And here's further evidence the "broken Bitain" is a myth

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8497277.stm

[Rev Sermon]

Jake,

I don't wholly disagree with you and I actually think corporal punishment would be more of a deterrent than capital which I believe should only be used for the most extreme of cases.

At the risk of descending into "Daily Mail rhetoric" I believe a very high proportion of vile and arguably petty crimes are committed by those who have been caught and convicted before but not deterred by their punishment.

Yes, one way of reducing crime is to improve the catching of offenders but we are all aware of the cost limitations of more bobbies on the beat but the other way to do it is to reduce the offending rate.

Two ways of doing this are removing repeat offenders from the system along the lines of the US 3 strikes idea or by increasing the effectiveness of the deterrent.

I don't claim to have a perfect solution but it is clear that the current system is lacking.

[jake-the-peg]

You're still not getting the "deterrant doesn't work" message are you?

If you're doing something that doesn't work continuing to do it only harder isn't the answer.

America uses 3 strikes and you're out - what is their murder rate again?

"If you've only got a hammer everything looks like a nail"

[Rev Sermon]

Simple answer, "No". I know it won't stop everybody, as you rightly say somebody drugged up to their eyeballs won't care. That's the category of offender that should be removed from society permanently.

I'm not really thinking of murderers, crimes of passion or the one off, well planned crimes involving huge amounts of money.

I'm talkng about the sexual crimes, the small time crooks, hooliganism and the like. Crimes rarely committed as a one off. And committed by offenders who frequently escalate as they "get away with it".

Clear up rates have improved since Victorian times but the deterrent has been eroded. The deterrent may be different for different people but clearly six months inside or more likely community service isn't adequate.

[jake-the-peg]

No the clear up rate is not high enough

Most people simply don't think they will be caught and until they do you can put in all the draconian punishments you like and it won't make a blind bit of difference.

It never does

And contrary to punishments being eroded there has actually been sentence inflation with various politicians competing with each other to be seen as tougher on crime. Attempting to appeal to the hit-em-harder brigade.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7098591.stm

People go on about things like early release without considering that "early" means up to 18 *days* early

[Rev Sermon]

Jake,

At the end of the day we just disagree here and I'm afraid I'm not really swayed by selected statistics or newspaper accounts. No disrespect to you intended, just expressing a viewpoint.

I don't believe longer sentences are much of a deterrent and I don't believe the clear up rate is high enough but I do believe that a more effective deterrent, whatever that may be combined with removing repeat offenders fro the system would improve the situation. Sorry but that's my belief which may be wrong but is thought out and considered.

[Androcles]

Yet it is reported today that nearly 30 people who have been released after sentences for killing in the last decade have gone on to do it again - great work by our "experts" who decided they were safe to be let out.

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Sorry for delay, been out all day... (rhymes).

Thank you for all your interesting answers.

EDDIE51 - I said he was given a life sentence because I was listening to Radio2 at the time of posting & that is what the newsreader said - but the snippet actually reads that he was jailed indefinitely. Let's hope he finds something to hang himself with in the meantime & I hope it takes him a while to die - evil little broccoli.....

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How ridiculous - I actually wrote 'evil little s-h-i-t-e!'

What an insult to broccoli.