microchipped wheelie bins

[chas2008]

http://www.dailymail....an-pay-throw-tax.html

if these plans are true surely it will encourage flytipping on a massive scale...

[ummmm]

It probably will.

What about the people who don't have wheelie bins?

[R1Geezer]

Another side effect will be the amount of excess packaging discarded in supermarkets etc before going home! Can you imagine what the local tesco will look like when everyone throws all but the necessary packageing arounf the car park!

[jake-the-peg]

It depends on how any plans are implemented

What you're seeing here is speculation on the effects of speculation.

But there was a scheme introduced in Ireland whereby bin collection was charged for on an individual basis and there were problems with things like fly tipping, and people using each others bins, people padlocking their bins etc.

If anybody wants to bring in similar plans over here they'll need to have some sort of solution to the problem

[jno]

great idea, geezer - it might encourage Tesco's to put less packaging on goods anyway, and require their suppliers to do so. BGB to you.

[Ankou]

well if they have a twacking device and disappear for a few days before weturning in a wight state and lying about their wheweabouts, at least you could tell where they'd wheelie bin.

i'll get me coat.

[carrust]

The scheme needs a name.....Chip & bin??

[Old_Geezer]

I can not see how the plans are implimented will matter, if folk see a disadvantage to having waste, and an advantage to getting rid of it outside the official system. We have too much fly tipping already.

The arguments against the council nosing at what we do have already been made and won many times, yet still they bring in this sort of nonsense. The authorities are out of the public's control. Almost a law unto themselves.

They claim it is to reward those who recyle, not penalise those who do not, but it is clear it is the same thing at root. You pay a larger local tax and some get a refund for "being good", or you pay a smaller local tax and some get fined for "being bad" still results in the same net take, and the same folk paying more or paying less. They must think the public fools.

Sunch schemes should be put to the locals in a vote. Let's see some democracy in this part of the world.

[smart1]

Not much chance of that I think OG

[milliezoe]

I agree I attended a council meeting to object against my road being made a one way street and was told you really do not know what you are talking about now its been implented total choas and everyone moaning. Thought we lived in a democracy !!!!!!

[jake-the-peg]

Thing is OG people imagine the alternative is just carry on as normal and that's not an option.

Landfills are becomming massive and the price charged to councils for filling them is going up hugely.

The vote is pay on a per bin basis or see a hike in council tax

[SlackAlice]

read the title and thought 'Go faster Wheelie Bins?'
I'll go away now ;)

[Old_Geezer]

Ah but it is an option. Although there is nothing wrong with encouragement. Reuse of items is a good idea if it can be shown to save resource. As a last resort sorting the rubbish at the tip and reusing the materials could also be beneficial. But spying on the population is not.

If society doesn't attempt to limit the population size, then it has to expect the support services will be strained. Any 'moving around of the deckchairs' in an effort to put off doing something useful, and infringing the rights of individuals in the process, doesn't solve much in the long term. Merely delays the inevitable, and naturally creates great ill feeling.

That is not to say that the solution is with the local authorities alone. All levels of government need to be on board, wanting to do the right thing.


Landfills are as massive as they need to be to cope. If there is too much waste, then that is down to the manufacturers and retailers, and their excessive packaging. The purchaser ought not be penalised for that. And why is the price of landfill to the council going up hugely ? Have the authorities failed miserably to own the land they need to use ? Surely not. Have higher levels of government imposed unreasonable rules to fine local councils if they don't abuse the population they are supposed to serve, as they have been told ? No, can't be.

Surely all our government levels are working for the benefit of the people, not against them ?

[jackthehat]

This scheme was implemented in a very underhand way in parts of Blackpool. The Local Authority insisted on delivering new wheelie bins to areas who previously put out black bin bags, and would brook no argument. Soon it was noticed that there was a small disc (looked a little like a 'casino chip') inserted under the rim of the bin. This was the 'device'. It was, erm...........suggested that if people had real objections to this they ought to remove the chips and return them in envelopes to the Borough Council.

[Davethedog]

This hasn't happened where I live - but it is well known that the local vandals love computer chips and would be stealing them oh i'd say within 10 minutes of me discovering mine. :-D

[McMouse]

I'm very worried. The microchips will be tied in with GPS systems and transmit data to Rubbish Control. What happens if Alien Life-forms intercept these signals and believing wheelie-bins are intelligent beings, invade Earth to liberate them?

[Old_Geezer]

Perhaps they'll take the authorities away with them "for liberation purposes" too.

[Androcles]

"Another side effect will be the amount of excess packaging discarded in supermarkets etc before going home! Can you imagine what the local tesco will look like when everyone throws all but the necessary packageing arounf the car park! "

I thought they already did, RIG!!!

[jake-the-peg]

OG Have you been to a land fill site recently?

There is one a few miles from where I live.

The running company massively over filled it and when they were caught had to apply for permission to keep it.

Landfill is simply unsustainable and that's not to do with population rise but due to the simple fact that it doesn't go away and the amount that we use.

We send 100 Million tonnes to landfill each year

100 million tonnes last year and the year before and next year and the year after

drop the population by 10%

it's 90 million tonnes a year!

Big fat hairy deal!

[ludwig]

Technical question - couldn't people just erase the chip data by sticking a strong magnet next to it, or is that just hard drives and the like?