there has been a mad gunman loose in cumbria...

[stokemaveric]

there are reports of several fatalalities...lets hope this lunatic is apprahended soon..what is happening to people nowadays?

[moonraker558]

Depends on what the problem is i.e deer in plantations cause a lot of damage to trees and saplins, rabbits are a farmers worst enemy with their crops, and they also undermine roads if left unchecked, rats rooks pigeons foxes squirells the list goes on. It is not a case of shooting anything that moves, most gun owners are selective when out hunting and are professional in their attitude when taking a shot to cause least suffering to their quarry.

[jackthehat]

Dr Filth - I am saying that the guns ought to be held on the farm.
There is no reason why farm-workers can't arrive at a farm and be issued the guns.........

EDDIE - This situation would be remedied by legislating that no 'ordinary' person were able to keep a gun at home.

[LoftyLottie]

JTH. You asked me 'Why'. The reason is that the topic was raised early in this thread about the reviewing of gun laws and as several people on here have pointed out, by reviewing gun laws (which apply obviously only to licensed guns) it will do nothing to prevent gun crime whatsoever and will infact increase the amount of illegally held weapons which will decrease the ability to trace the ownership of guns.

So you don't wish to talk about this because you think it is irrelevant to the topic. Perhaps others do.

[jackthehat]

Do you hunt, Moonraker ?

[moonraker558]

What rubbish that wont stop illegal guns out there

[jackthehat]

Illegally-held guns are pertinent to the tragedy in Cumbria.............How ?

[LoftyLottie]

This is such a rare occurence (a licenced gun holder gunning down 12 random people). You can't change legislation because of a one-off incident.

[DrFilth]

jack i am glad you have answered my question , the farmer i have met will not have a gun at his house, when he has a problem he gets a person in from the local town.
this person has a licence and is a marksman and works on a few farms.
not all farmers like guns but they need the use of them on their land.

[LoftyLottie]

JTH. The issue was raised on this thread about gun law. The thread developed around this point. Simple as that. If you are talking about gun law then the issue of illegally held guns will arise. I think you are now just being awkward for the sake of it, so I'll say no more.

[Sqad]

LOL..lofty my darling, you are on form today ;-)

[LoftyLottie]

Sqad ;o).

Do you like my Avatar. Very appropriate don't you think. I presume you can see the new one?

[LoftyLottie]

btw. We don't have guns legal or illegal, except for an air rifle which we use to shoot rats from the farm.

[Sqad]

Lofty...don't try and fool me, in my mind you are 20years younger, although the spectacles do turn me on ;-)

[LoftyLottie]

Oh, but the expression is the same! Sour ;o)

[DrFilth]

Lofty does the farmer near you have a gun ?

[jackthehat]

I find, generally, that the voices agin gun laws are those of people who themselves have some sort of interest in them.

I would be quite content to see guns kept either at a gun-club, or a police-station, where access is reasonably controlled...........

LL - I'm not being awkward for the sake of it. Every time there is an attempt to discuss controls on legally-held weapons, it meanders off into illegal weapons, gun culture, yardies, drug dealers, Russian mafia............
I was trying to point out that this tragedy occured via a licensed gun-owner and legal weapons...........surely whatever vested interests you have, you can see that ?

[whiskeryron]

As I see it, it's not a question of who owns a gun & who doesn't, it all boils down to getting people into psychiatric care who show signs of mental disturbance, & once again it appears that the appropriate authorities failed. This guy knew there was something wrong with him & apparently was ignored when he asked for help.Take heed it will happen again.

[whiskeryron]

continued,how many poor defenceless kiddies have been killed or injured & always we get the same old drivel 'we must see this never happens again'.

[DrFilth]

jack he had a licence so if he went to the police station to pick up his guns he would still have been able to go on the mad rampage.

what about the farmer who does not want to have any guns ? are you going to force some farmers to start keeping them ?