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Criminals and gun licenses.
We are told gun permits are only issued to people of good character and yet Derick Bird who had several convictions for theft was still given gun licenses in 95 and 2007.
Should known criminals be given licenses or if they had them before committing an offence should the gun permit be withdrawn.?
Should known criminals be given licenses or if they had them before committing an offence should the gun permit be withdrawn.?
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( It has been reported that Bird had initially armed himself with two guns on Tuesday night, but was disarmed by a friend.
Bird is then believed to have sought medical help at a local hospital for his fragile mental state, only to be turned away)
OrcadianOil do you not think that is a sign
( Unless someone does something totally blatant and obvious to suggest to the relevant authorities that they are in danger of perpetrating an outrage )
Bird is then believed to have sought medical help at a local hospital for his fragile mental state, only to be turned away)
OrcadianOil do you not think that is a sign
( Unless someone does something totally blatant and obvious to suggest to the relevant authorities that they are in danger of perpetrating an outrage )
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I repeat
As I see it, it's not a question of who owns a gun & who doesn't, it all boils down to getting people into psychiatric care who show signs of mental disturbance, & once again it appears that the appropriate authorities failed. This guy knew there was something wrong with him & apparently was ignored when he asked for help.Take heed it will happen again.
As I see it, it's not a question of who owns a gun & who doesn't, it all boils down to getting people into psychiatric care who show signs of mental disturbance, & once again it appears that the appropriate authorities failed. This guy knew there was something wrong with him & apparently was ignored when he asked for help.Take heed it will happen again.
I almost daren't give an opinion because I got shot down by someone on another thread yesterday.
I agree with Jayne and also others on here. There is now too much emphasis on the holding of gun licences and now his past minor criminal offence.
This was a deranged bloke. It was a very, very rare occurence and it seems as if it could have been avoided if he had had the help he obviously needed and, in fact, asked for.
The media will make t he most of it and people will be drawn in.
It was an absolutely dreadful event, but we need to be logical.
I agree with Jayne and also others on here. There is now too much emphasis on the holding of gun licences and now his past minor criminal offence.
This was a deranged bloke. It was a very, very rare occurence and it seems as if it could have been avoided if he had had the help he obviously needed and, in fact, asked for.
The media will make t he most of it and people will be drawn in.
It was an absolutely dreadful event, but we need to be logical.
"It has been reported....blah blah blah...armed himself...disarmed by friend"
I have been following this assiduously since the story broke on Wednesday morning and seem to have missed this alarming "revelation"?
Link?(None, I'd bet). Source?(The Tooth Fairy?)
Everything to date is conjecture, as has been demonstrated by the Police who, when interviewed, have been swift to dismiss and/or slap down any tittle tattle.
There is a massive investigation to be carried out and the main witness/player, Derrick Bird, is not available for interrogation. I prefer to get the truth and the facts from the investigating Officers, but they may never even get to the bottom of this tragedy.
Hence, speculative waffle and conjecture, rumour, or innuendo have no basis in fact. They are merely fed to the masses who can either swallow them hook, line and sinker, or, like me, they can wait for factual and informed conclusions to emerge, no matter how long it may take.
I have been following this assiduously since the story broke on Wednesday morning and seem to have missed this alarming "revelation"?
Link?(None, I'd bet). Source?(The Tooth Fairy?)
Everything to date is conjecture, as has been demonstrated by the Police who, when interviewed, have been swift to dismiss and/or slap down any tittle tattle.
There is a massive investigation to be carried out and the main witness/player, Derrick Bird, is not available for interrogation. I prefer to get the truth and the facts from the investigating Officers, but they may never even get to the bottom of this tragedy.
Hence, speculative waffle and conjecture, rumour, or innuendo have no basis in fact. They are merely fed to the masses who can either swallow them hook, line and sinker, or, like me, they can wait for factual and informed conclusions to emerge, no matter how long it may take.
The permit thing is rubbish. A friend of mine has legally held both a shotgun and rifle for 30 odd years. Guns always kept in approved locked cabinets and ammunition kept in separate safe. Last year the police called at his house during the day on a routine inspection and his wife showed them the locked cabinets and offered to open them as she knew where the keys were hidden. He had his permits withdrawn.
Link?(None, I'd bet)
for an assiduous person
have a look down this next to the picture ( cumbria shootings picture)
http://www.telegraph....d-and-25-injured.html
for an assiduous person
have a look down this next to the picture ( cumbria shootings picture)
http://www.telegraph....d-and-25-injured.html
Oh come on Dr Filth you are the first to pounce on unsubstantiated reporting and you are now quoting # Bird is then believed to have sought medical help at a local hospital for his fragile mental state, only to be turned away) #
No where has that been confirmed by the police or a hospital.
And Lottie he was given a 12 months suspended sentence. You don't get 12 months for a ' minor conviction.'. The police did not call it minor . Gromit called it that, no doubt to diminish the offence and you appear to be doing the same.
You call him deranged and we may all think so but can you back it up with any
medical evidence. Witnesses state how normal he was before the events , apart from a couple odd remarks like I wont be seeing you again . He then calmly went home and collected his guns. Even the execution of the events were calm and calculated as he evaded the police. Not the behaviour of a deranged mind.
Unless you have a link to prove otherwise.
No where has that been confirmed by the police or a hospital.
And Lottie he was given a 12 months suspended sentence. You don't get 12 months for a ' minor conviction.'. The police did not call it minor . Gromit called it that, no doubt to diminish the offence and you appear to be doing the same.
You call him deranged and we may all think so but can you back it up with any
medical evidence. Witnesses state how normal he was before the events , apart from a couple odd remarks like I wont be seeing you again . He then calmly went home and collected his guns. Even the execution of the events were calm and calculated as he evaded the police. Not the behaviour of a deranged mind.
Unless you have a link to prove otherwise.
Are you qualified in psychology Joe ?
You may think. I may think he is deranged but that's our unqualified opinion .
There are and have been many serial killers who are in normal prisons , not Broadmoor ,because they are not considered deranged .e.g. Myra Hindly died in Holloway.
David Bird did not rush around in a manic manner rather the opposite.
So you jumping up and down in rage does not make Bird a raging lunatic .
You may think. I may think he is deranged but that's our unqualified opinion .
There are and have been many serial killers who are in normal prisons , not Broadmoor ,because they are not considered deranged .e.g. Myra Hindly died in Holloway.
David Bird did not rush around in a manic manner rather the opposite.
So you jumping up and down in rage does not make Bird a raging lunatic .
Modeller
People of sound mind do not do what Derrick Bird did (David Bird was the twin brother who he killed)
How do you explain his random killing of defenceless folk he didn't even know? He may have had his reasons for the first few killings but after that it was just whichever unfortunate person who unwittingly crossed his murderous path who he killed.
He had no reason to kill those people not known to him, or did he get a taste for blood after the first few hits?
You'd have a different view if it was one of your family who had crossed his murderous path
People of sound mind do not do what Derrick Bird did (David Bird was the twin brother who he killed)
How do you explain his random killing of defenceless folk he didn't even know? He may have had his reasons for the first few killings but after that it was just whichever unfortunate person who unwittingly crossed his murderous path who he killed.
He had no reason to kill those people not known to him, or did he get a taste for blood after the first few hits?
You'd have a different view if it was one of your family who had crossed his murderous path
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