A Suitable Case For Castration?

[OrcadianOil]

The depraved individual in the attached link has just been sentenced to be detained "indefintely", but could be released in as little as 5 years' time. He has been jailed, this time, for having raped a teenage girl, but has several similar convictions in the past for which he also served time.
He is clearly still a severe danger to the public at large, young girls and women particularly, and if released whilst still capable of repeating the offence(s), must surely deserve to be rendered incapable of ever being able to do so again.

Anyone care to give compelling reasons why he should not be castrated? If so, answers on the back of a stamp to the "Talk To The Hand" association!

http://www.dailymail....sing-gown-pocket.html

[rojash]

What's your question?

[jake-the-peg]

I guess I shouldn't really dignify this with a rational answer because you're obviously approaching it from a mindless, vengeful - "cut off their goolies" angle

However there is a lot of interest in castration for paedophiles - the last UK Government was looking into it so is France.

Some countries such as France, Sweden and Denmark already use drugs to lower the sex drive of sex offenders where they agree to it.

Castration doesn't have a 100% record but it is in the 90% range for reoffenders which is pretty impressive.

But this would always have to be in the context of offenders that agree to it - unless you want to go back to cutting of thieves hands and stoning unfaithful wives

[ginvodka]

Castration would be too good for the b*****d

[joeluke]

^ "offenders that agree to it"

They shouldn't be given an option

[hc4361]

Depends on why he rapes. If he does it to satisfy an urge to demean, dominate, frighten or hurt he would simply use something else if he were castrated. A broken bottle, perhaps.

[youngmafbog]

Never get past the dreaded HRA.

What is wrong with "chop off the goolies" in this sort of case ?

[OrcadianOil]

jake,
Thank you for "dignifying" my little thread with your "rational answer". You know, the world and his wife don't always agree with you and your points of view, hence the reason why lesser mortals such as myself get to put our little threads on here, and others also get to post a response.
I totally disagree with your assertion that offenders must first agree to be castrated - a bit like asking a Jew in 1940 Germany if s/he'd prefer electric to gas?

hc4361,
Never mind having cosy little chats with serial offenders like the pervert in the link about his warped "reasons" for doing it. In the meantime, what would you suggest happens with his victims? A quick pat on the head, " There, there.....you'll get over it, he has this urge to violate immature human beings and to totally destroy their lives, so you have to understand that and just get on with it." Yeah, right!

[Seadragon]

They say that a society is judged by how it treats its criminals.

Although I'm not sure which side of the argument I would vouch for, I do sway towards the advocation of castration for serial paedophiles. Those who repeatedly offend. Therefore they have been given the opportunity to control for themselves their urges by having been criminally punished and hopefully rehabilitated yet if they continue to re-offend then castration I think is a step towards the state better controlling that serious criminal element of their nature?

[hc4361]

So how would you deal with paedophile women? Castration clearly isn't an option.

[OrcadianOil]

hc4361,
Yes, either that or the chopping off of hands???

[Seadragon]

Female castration is an option - removal of the clitoris, practised in some communities.

I am talking about totally unreformed criminal behaviour and the total failure of the criminal justice system in controlling a convicted criminals deviant/perverted addiction to underage sex.

The serious and serial paedophiles who have had anti-hormone treatment, the extended sentences or IPP's, already on the sex offender register and who are already monitored by the patrol board. An indefinite sentence means that if they are still considered a risk to the public they won't be out as may be the case for the guy in the link provided.

I would advocate castration for an offender who consistently fails to control his/her urges having undergone all the above and still re-offended. I think paedophilia is the most sickening crime committed against children.

[Seadragon]

And it doesn't deserve the full protection of human rights.

[joggerjayne]

The most implausible sentences EVER, Number 1 ...

"... she accidentally left a dictaphone in his dressing gown pocket"

And we accept that on face value, do we ???

[askyourgran]

I believe we have had a thread like this one before, and I advocated castration, but was shouted down, to the effect that 'one shouldn't castrate someone'. I still feel the same about paedos and the like who prey on children.

[hc4361]

Female castration would have no effect whatsoever. It doesn't remove sexual urges or desires.

[Seadragon]

Apparently HC female castration as in removal of the uterus does have an effect as 'ovaries are responsible for normal sexual desire, so they are removed in severe cases only.' (Intimate Medicine - all about sex website. Had to look it up as I haven't had ovary removal)

I would be lying to myself and to you if I said that I don't believe in some sort of further punishment for severe, extreme, persistant child sex offenders who fail to control their sex addiction either by themselves or through the means of the criminal justice system.

Ideally I think this type of offender should be dropped off in the Arctic to fend for themselves but that would be inhumane and I would worry about the safety of the Polar bears and foxes.

I am for castration equality or indefinite imprisonment of males and females. That is available now but cases are re-assessed by the patrol board. I think the most severest should be permanently imprisoned for duration of their life.

I think some sort of further punishment is required as permanent deterrent. Burglars face automatic imprisonment for their third burglary - there is no human rights protection from being locked up for that - you had two chances and you blew it.

I think really vile persistent child sex offenders are in a category that is different to any other crime, that is my opinion and not only should that person maintain a continuing risk to innocent children but they should take responsibility for creating a proportion of future child sex offenders.

[hc4361]

Many women have heightened libido after a full hysterectomy, which is not considered female castration.

[Seadragon]

Check the medical website, you even say 'many' - I don't know what the statistics are. There're good for male castration.

Permanent imprisonment for duration of life? - male and female.

Point is that I do advocate a further punishment. I am not advocating the death penalty.

[hc4361]

I can't imagine any right minded person would be against indefinite imprisonment of dangerous offenders who refuse or unable to stop offending.
I am against the death penalty for child abuse cases for one reason only.
The victims of abuse often blame themselves for the abuse, even in childhood when they rationally understand that is a nonsense. They still feel guilt.
Some victims of abuse have conflicting emotions regarding the abuser. As hard as it may be for you and I to understand, some victims do love their abuser and this compounds their guilt - they know they should feel hatred.
Some victims both hate and love their abuser.

So I would not want to compound this guilt felt by many innocent children, whatever their age may be now, by ordering the death of the perpetrator. It is a burden some victims could not bear.

Incarcerate to prevent further abuse by all means.

I cannot believe anybody chooses to be a paedophile, I do believe the majority have the choice of offending or not. Those who do not have the choice cannot be helped and must be incarcerated either in prison, secure asylums or secure specialised units, although putting them all in the same place can only be a bad thing. There is nothing like kindred spirits for normalising the abnormal.

[Seadragon]

HC - sorry to continue this thread, you say - 'So I would not want to compound this guilt felt by many innocent children, whatever their age may be now, by ordering the death of the perpetrator. It is a burden some victims could not bear.' I'm very unsure about this statement but agree that a death sentence would be inhumane in our society.

'Incarcerate to prevent further abuse by all means.' - I not only agree with you here but on quite abit of the rest of what you have said.


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