Female Kiddie Fiddler's 5 Months Old Victim.

[OrcadianOil]

Who in his/her right mind can defend the b!tch who has allegedly perpetrated such an act on a defenceless infant? No punishment for her would surely be too severe - I am correct, am I not?
Also, the depraved male also allegedly involved who took photos of her whilst she committed such a heinous offence also deserves no mercy - again, I am correct, am I not?
I suggest castration for both, plus imprisonment for life with the re-introduction of hard labour for them. That is, on the assumption that they will be found guilty of such sickening offences.
Your views, opinions and thoughts please?

http://news.bbc.co.uk...rseyside/10542930.stm

[Greedyfly]

JNO I probably do not remember anything from 5 months old but that doesn't make it any less digusting/illegal/shocking

Maybe the law should be different due to age then? And just because it happened for 'a minute' doesn't make it any less wrong!

[jackthehat]

Hopefully, as the child grows up it will have no memory of the offence. However, the violation felt by the parents, on their childs, behalf may well be reflected back to the child.

I hope the family are strong enough to move passed this awful time and let the child grow up 'normally',

[Greedyfly]

I shall leave it there.

We are all entitled to an opinion =)

[Greedyfly]

I also think the term 'kiddie fiddler' seems to make the whole situation less serious.

[jno]

I'm not saying it's not wrong, Greedyfly, or that these people shouldn't be put away. Just that there are much worse cases of child abuse around, and I'm not fretting over this baby's future. Jack, my guess is that the worst that could happen from the child's parents (I'm assuming neither of the adults was one of the parents) is that they become over-protective.

[jackthehat]

Not only do they become over-protective, but there is always a 'big grey elephant in the room' which is palpable but *never* discussed.............and children pick up on stuff.

[joeluke]

jno......can't believe your 'because the child might not remember it means it's no big deal' attitude

[Greedyfly]

I find these situations totally disgusting. I cannot for the life of me understand it at all.

Let's hope that this child can grow up like a 'normal' kid and not have know what happened!

I have seen what this sort of thing does to a family and I believe it will be hard for children to grow up completely 'normal' due to the constant watch full eye of the parents, which is only natural.

[Greedyfly]

In JNO's defence I don't believe it was meant that way at all JL

[ummmm]

It's not that. It's a massive deal....just thankfully the child won't remember it.

[jno]

I didn't say no big deal, only that there are bigger deals. I think harming a child is worse than not harming a child.

[Hugo-Johnson]

Do we for a 100% fact know that childhood trauma does not affect us later on in life?

[Greedyfly]

I agree Hugo - the subconcious is a powerful thing

[jno]

Jack, I don't know about the elephant... there are various sorts of elephants in lots of families' lives - adoption might be one, for instance, or illness. Families have lots of different experiences, good or bad, but they still get through. My guess, and it's only a guess, is that this would be comparable to a child having an accident - the parents may feel guilty about letting them climb a tree that they fell out of, but most probably wouldn't ban the child from ever climbing a tree again.

[jno]

Hugo, most things that happen affect us, but they needn't be 'traumatic'. The reports don't say what happened (thank heavens) but it's quite possible that the baby wouldn't register it as a trauma at all; more like momentary discomfort and quite possibly no worse (from the baby's point of view) than feeling hungry..

[jackthehat]

Exactly. It will take a great deal of character for the parents to let the child grow up as if 'nothing has happened'. Let's hope it is the case.
Because, I truly believe that the child will have no memories of its own about this horrible event.

[joeluke]

How do we know the child wasn't physically damaged? 5 month old children are pretty delicate

[ummmm]

If the child was I'm sure something would have been reported.

[anotheoldgit]

Yet another horrific case, in this sick,sick world that it has become.

Interesting to note however that the BBC published a photo of Colin Blanchard yet failed to publish a photograph of Tracy Dawber also,

[OrcadianOil]

Why do we have the bleeding hearts on here bleating about the terminology being used by me to describe the "Untermensch" involved? You ought to be more concerned about the defilement of an innocent and defenceless infant at the hands of these barbarous pond life merchants, instead of at me for calling a spade a spade.

There is certainly no "trivialisation" by me - just because you feel disturbed at the thought of a baby being destroyed by these scumbags.