Yes we are Lofty but I'm talking about people who have been in and out of foster care when they are children, to young offenders institutes where they still don't receive any help, been to schools that have written them off as a trouble maker and finally when they have children of their own, how on earth are they meant to know how to look after them properly when they've never had anyone care for them? There are some scary statistics out there e.g. 50% of the prison population have been in care at one stage of their lives, in 2008 there were 60,000 children being looked after by their local authorities and there are 4 million children living in poverty in the UK at present. Again, I'm not saying this excuses what Raoul Moat did and what other people do but it just gives an idea of the huge differences in lifestyles that some people face.