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Do you agree with the proposed end to 24 hour drinking?
/// They hope this will herald the return of the traditional pub, in which the public can drink without fear of assault or abuse.///
The only way to see the return to the traditional British pub (if it is not already too late) is to scrap the no smoking law, which has see the closing of pubs, some that have been around for hundreds of years.
This week we were told that to ban the Burka would be rather un-British.
I am not a smoker myself, but I believe taking away the freedom of a person to enjoy a smoke along with their relaxing drink is totally un-British. To cater for those who wish to smoke, a room could be specifically set aside as a 'smoke room'
Regarding the drunken yobs who litter our streets, out-side the bars, I say impose a total non-tolerance law:
Anyone arrested for being incapable through drink should have imposed upon them a very heavy fine.
Anyone who has to depend on the NHS for treatment of drink related injuries/illness, should be charged.
Any drink venue that has a ongoing problem of drink related violence, should be closed down, or have their licence suspended for a period of time.
This way the sensible person that wishes to enjoy the freedom of having a drink no matter what time of the day, will still be able to.
Do you agree with the proposed end to 24 hour drinking?
/// They hope this will herald the return of the traditional pub, in which the public can drink without fear of assault or abuse.///
The only way to see the return to the traditional British pub (if it is not already too late) is to scrap the no smoking law, which has see the closing of pubs, some that have been around for hundreds of years.
This week we were told that to ban the Burka would be rather un-British.
I am not a smoker myself, but I believe taking away the freedom of a person to enjoy a smoke along with their relaxing drink is totally un-British. To cater for those who wish to smoke, a room could be specifically set aside as a 'smoke room'
Regarding the drunken yobs who litter our streets, out-side the bars, I say impose a total non-tolerance law:
Anyone arrested for being incapable through drink should have imposed upon them a very heavy fine.
Anyone who has to depend on the NHS for treatment of drink related injuries/illness, should be charged.
Any drink venue that has a ongoing problem of drink related violence, should be closed down, or have their licence suspended for a period of time.
This way the sensible person that wishes to enjoy the freedom of having a drink no matter what time of the day, will still be able to.
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Have to admit, I do support the smoking ban purely for selfish reasons. I've got an extremely weak/sensitive chest, so being in pubs where significant amounts of smoke are in the air (which designated areas would only limit a bit) gets very uncomfortable for me. If there's no smoking in pubs I can actually be in them comfortably.
I don't think the smoking ban reduced pub business at all. Smokers still go as much as they used to, they just keep nipping outside alot more often.
The decline of pubs is a wider thing. It's more to do the price of alcohol and a cultural shift among the more mature drinker towards drinking wine at home rather than going out to drink beer at the pub.
Then you have to factor in the drink driving laws - if you're not within walking distance of the pub and can't get a lift there's no point going, unless your favourite tipple is coke or orange juice. Consequently people don't bother.
The good traditional pubs are basically becoming restaurants with bars as opposed to drinking holes. It's the ones that aren't adapting that are going out of business.
The decline of pubs is a wider thing. It's more to do the price of alcohol and a cultural shift among the more mature drinker towards drinking wine at home rather than going out to drink beer at the pub.
Then you have to factor in the drink driving laws - if you're not within walking distance of the pub and can't get a lift there's no point going, unless your favourite tipple is coke or orange juice. Consequently people don't bother.
The good traditional pubs are basically becoming restaurants with bars as opposed to drinking holes. It's the ones that aren't adapting that are going out of business.
Errrr not all parents guzzle drink with their kids in tow. I certainly don't. I would only take my kids to child friendly places with play areas. Unless there was a football match that my son wanted to watch. Then it would be a case of watch the match and go home. I also rarely take my kids to the pub...except for dinner.
As ludwig said...it's not just the smoking ban it's the price of drink in the pubs. People can't afford to go out as much anymore. It's almost as expensive going out and not drinking as well....now that's a rip off.
As ludwig said...it's not just the smoking ban it's the price of drink in the pubs. People can't afford to go out as much anymore. It's almost as expensive going out and not drinking as well....now that's a rip off.
lol so fed up of that one liner harpy..routinely trotted out by smokers and innacurate, before the smoking ban pubs were closing at an alarming rate, nothing has changed since then, they need to look at stopping the supermarkets selling it cheap. If you want to save your pub then dont buy bargain booze, buy it from the pub.
they were still closing, its unfair to blame the smoking ban totally, but I would look more towards the high prices of alcohol in pubs, I know people who have been in the industry, they could not compete with tesco/asda.
sure, bring back smoking and watch the claims for compensation go through the roof for lung related health problems.
sure, bring back smoking and watch the claims for compensation go through the roof for lung related health problems.
"Can't quite fathom your logic.
Gradually weaning people off or make it illegal it would still remove the revenue they gather."
If you make it illegal you lose the revenue source without removing the demands that that revenue source was intended to satisfy. If you gradually wean people off smoking there will be a correlated, though perhaps not commensurate, decrease in both the revenue generated by tobacco sales and the burdens placed upon the health service by the smoking of tobacco.
Gradually weaning people off or make it illegal it would still remove the revenue they gather."
If you make it illegal you lose the revenue source without removing the demands that that revenue source was intended to satisfy. If you gradually wean people off smoking there will be a correlated, though perhaps not commensurate, decrease in both the revenue generated by tobacco sales and the burdens placed upon the health service by the smoking of tobacco.
The good old English pub has been the envy of the world.
The first thing most visitors to this country wanted to do was to have a drink in one of these establishments, so much so that the Americans would convert their basements into an English pub, complete with all the fittings even the obligatory dart board, complete with the rubber marker mat, displaying an advert for a certain brand of beer.
Yes the pub was the place where one could partake in a good old English pint, while having a chat with friends, play a game of darts, or even a game of dominoes or cards.
These pubs once had un-PC names such as the 'Saracen's Head', 'Turks Head', Black Boy' or even or 'Labour in vain'. this name was often illustrated on the sign by a person trying to scrub the blackness off a black child.
Thankfully these names have long disappeared, but the more traditional ones such as 'The Royal Oak,' 'The Dog and Duck, or 'The Kings Head' have also been replaced by such names as ' The Cock & Bottle,* 'The Slug & Lettuce' or 'Fuzz & Firkin.*
Ah! the demise of the typical English pub?
Yes I mean English, not Scottish, Welsh, Irish or even British.
The first thing most visitors to this country wanted to do was to have a drink in one of these establishments, so much so that the Americans would convert their basements into an English pub, complete with all the fittings even the obligatory dart board, complete with the rubber marker mat, displaying an advert for a certain brand of beer.
Yes the pub was the place where one could partake in a good old English pint, while having a chat with friends, play a game of darts, or even a game of dominoes or cards.
These pubs once had un-PC names such as the 'Saracen's Head', 'Turks Head', Black Boy' or even or 'Labour in vain'. this name was often illustrated on the sign by a person trying to scrub the blackness off a black child.
Thankfully these names have long disappeared, but the more traditional ones such as 'The Royal Oak,' 'The Dog and Duck, or 'The Kings Head' have also been replaced by such names as ' The Cock & Bottle,* 'The Slug & Lettuce' or 'Fuzz & Firkin.*
Ah! the demise of the typical English pub?
Yes I mean English, not Scottish, Welsh, Irish or even British.
ummmm
/// I would only take my kids to child friendly places with play areas. ///
What is wrong with the park?
/// Unless there was a football match that my son wanted to watch. ///
Let him watch it at home, much safer, a pub which shows football matches is not the best environment for a child, the language one hears would make a stevedore blush.
/// I also rarely take my kids to the pub...except for dinner.///
There are plenty of restaurants around that are not pubs.
/// I would only take my kids to child friendly places with play areas. ///
What is wrong with the park?
/// Unless there was a football match that my son wanted to watch. ///
Let him watch it at home, much safer, a pub which shows football matches is not the best environment for a child, the language one hears would make a stevedore blush.
/// I also rarely take my kids to the pub...except for dinner.///
There are plenty of restaurants around that are not pubs.
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>What is wrong with the park?
Nothing. They also go to the park.
>Let him watch it at home, much safer, a pub which shows football matches is not the best environment for a child, the language one hears would make a stevedore blush.
He does watch most matches at home unless it's on a channel we haven't got.
>There are plenty of restaurants around that are not pubs.
True...but they are not as cheap and practicable as the pub/restaurant ones near me.
Nothing. They also go to the park.
>Let him watch it at home, much safer, a pub which shows football matches is not the best environment for a child, the language one hears would make a stevedore blush.
He does watch most matches at home unless it's on a channel we haven't got.
>There are plenty of restaurants around that are not pubs.
True...but they are not as cheap and practicable as the pub/restaurant ones near me.
one of the problems was at 10.45, people would rushg to the bar and buy one, 2 maybe 3 drinks to last til they got thrown out...they would have to drink these quick...then they would all pile outside - along with every other pub in the area, creating a 'flood' of drunk youths piling onto the streets all at the same time...
how can this be preferable to paced drinking and leaving whenever you want?
there are clubs mostly in town centres that open all night...but we just dont have that sort 'lifestyle' like in america where they will happily head out for a beer and slice of pie at 2am, or a stroll down the shops at 3...
that notion just didnt catch on...
how can this be preferable to paced drinking and leaving whenever you want?
there are clubs mostly in town centres that open all night...but we just dont have that sort 'lifestyle' like in america where they will happily head out for a beer and slice of pie at 2am, or a stroll down the shops at 3...
that notion just didnt catch on...
