ChatterBank3 mins ago
Is this any way to treat our brave troops?
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Surely before turning them out to the scrap-heap they should be given the choice to serve out their time doing a cushy desk job?
That is the very least we owe them.
And some of those now serving in cushy safe jobs, should take their places on the front line.
Surely before turning them out to the scrap-heap they should be given the choice to serve out their time doing a cushy desk job?
That is the very least we owe them.
And some of those now serving in cushy safe jobs, should take their places on the front line.
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AOG
Are you proposing a system of positive discrimination, not based on someone's abilities, but based on who they are?
Should an injured with absolutely no IT skills be guaranteed a job supporting (say) the installation and support of Unix and SQL Server systems...because of their previously displayed levels of bravery?
Are you proposing a system of positive discrimination, not based on someone's abilities, but based on who they are?
Should an injured with absolutely no IT skills be guaranteed a job supporting (say) the installation and support of Unix and SQL Server systems...because of their previously displayed levels of bravery?
"Earlier this year, the MoD unveiled a £70 million project to help injured troops to either remain in the forces or make a transition to civilian life."
How many other employers would spend that amount on their employees?
AOG, with regards to facts, since you often use the Daily Mail as a source I assumed wrongly that the paper was the Mail, hardly a hanging offence.
I see you have not answered ma question in the thread about ugly women and the assertion that Afghan women are the ugliest women in the world, what is the source of that?
How many other employers would spend that amount on their employees?
AOG, with regards to facts, since you often use the Daily Mail as a source I assumed wrongly that the paper was the Mail, hardly a hanging offence.
I see you have not answered ma question in the thread about ugly women and the assertion that Afghan women are the ugliest women in the world, what is the source of that?
"How very astute of you, seeing that my user-name and Avatar are openly on display before one needs to click the headline open"
Your user-name and Avatar are *not* openly displayed in the column on the right headed "Lastest Posts" - only the username of the poster who responded at the time i noticed.
You never START to amaze me.
Your user-name and Avatar are *not* openly displayed in the column on the right headed "Lastest Posts" - only the username of the poster who responded at the time i noticed.
You never START to amaze me.
THECORBYLOON
./// I assumed wrongly that the paper was the Mail, hardly a hanging offence.///
Maybe not a hanging offence, but your wrongful assumptions make you look rather silly.
Regarding the fact that Afghan women came tops for the worlds ugliest women.
If you had cared to look into this, instead of idly making up your mind that this was an assumption of mine, you would have discovered that this fact came from the global survey.
http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=24309
./// I assumed wrongly that the paper was the Mail, hardly a hanging offence.///
Maybe not a hanging offence, but your wrongful assumptions make you look rather silly.
Regarding the fact that Afghan women came tops for the worlds ugliest women.
If you had cared to look into this, instead of idly making up your mind that this was an assumption of mine, you would have discovered that this fact came from the global survey.
http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=24309
sp1814
/// Are you proposing a system of positive discrimination, not based on someone's abilities, but based on who they are?///
Positive discrimination, this happens now, all the time, in all occupations, MPs, Police, Civil Service jobs etc, etc.
Because of one's skin colour, because of one's gender etc.
/// Should an injured with absolutely no IT skills be guaranteed a job ///
Just because a person chooses a career in the armed forces, doesn't necessary mean they are thick.
There are many who posses a wide variety of IT skills (although IT skills are not the end all of everything). There are many geeks who sit in front of a monitor all their working day, but ask them to do something else and they are lost.
No there are many desk jobs, that do not call for a wide knowledge in IT skills.
/// Are you proposing a system of positive discrimination, not based on someone's abilities, but based on who they are?///
Positive discrimination, this happens now, all the time, in all occupations, MPs, Police, Civil Service jobs etc, etc.
Because of one's skin colour, because of one's gender etc.
/// Should an injured with absolutely no IT skills be guaranteed a job ///
Just because a person chooses a career in the armed forces, doesn't necessary mean they are thick.
There are many who posses a wide variety of IT skills (although IT skills are not the end all of everything). There are many geeks who sit in front of a monitor all their working day, but ask them to do something else and they are lost.
No there are many desk jobs, that do not call for a wide knowledge in IT skills.
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//Just because a person chooses a career in the armed forces, doesn't necessary mean they are thick.//
No but the average soldier joining the army has 1 GCSE at grade A-C
That doesn't make them thick - it does make them not academically inclined
Are these the people you want running the administration of the armed forces?
No but the average soldier joining the army has 1 GCSE at grade A-C
That doesn't make them thick - it does make them not academically inclined
Are these the people you want running the administration of the armed forces?
AOG
So you agree with the benefits of positive discrimination?
I gave IT skills as an example.
If you have two potential employees, one with 10 years experience as a network administrator, and one with no experience, but who had previously served his country, would you support the positive discrimination afforded the soldier?
If so, that suggests you support positive discrimination where the candidate doesn't necessarily have the skills (at least initially) to do the job.
Is that correct?
So you agree with the benefits of positive discrimination?
I gave IT skills as an example.
If you have two potential employees, one with 10 years experience as a network administrator, and one with no experience, but who had previously served his country, would you support the positive discrimination afforded the soldier?
If so, that suggests you support positive discrimination where the candidate doesn't necessarily have the skills (at least initially) to do the job.
Is that correct?
AOG
You wrote:
"Just because a person chooses a career in the armed forces, doesn't necessary mean they are thick"
I didn't say they were thick - I just said that they would lack certain skills for 'cushy office jobs'. Many of the cushy office jobs you refer to, aren't just filing or admin, they actually demand very specific skills:
Consultancy
Project Management
Network administration
Database administration
Systems integration
Human resources
You don't just walk into those jobs, and with all those I've listed, there are professional qualifications that employers look for when selecting candidates.
Not as clear cut as you may think.
You wrote:
"Just because a person chooses a career in the armed forces, doesn't necessary mean they are thick"
I didn't say they were thick - I just said that they would lack certain skills for 'cushy office jobs'. Many of the cushy office jobs you refer to, aren't just filing or admin, they actually demand very specific skills:
Consultancy
Project Management
Network administration
Database administration
Systems integration
Human resources
You don't just walk into those jobs, and with all those I've listed, there are professional qualifications that employers look for when selecting candidates.
Not as clear cut as you may think.
Almost government double speak. Sacked from the forces because they are disabled. So they sign on the disability register and claim benefits but first having a strict medical to see what jobs they are capable of doing.
But I assume the forces had them doing some sort of job. If they won't employ them why should any civilian firm want to.
But I assume the forces had them doing some sort of job. If they won't employ them why should any civilian firm want to.
"Ankou
Let's hope you never lose a limb or limbs in the service of your country, but then that is never going to happen is it? "
well i hope not aog, but in my present circumstance, no doubt i would lose my job in some fashion or other, my employer wouldn't create a job just for me despite all my years of loyal service.
Let's hope you never lose a limb or limbs in the service of your country, but then that is never going to happen is it? "
well i hope not aog, but in my present circumstance, no doubt i would lose my job in some fashion or other, my employer wouldn't create a job just for me despite all my years of loyal service.
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