Jobs for the work-shy.

[anotheoldgit]

http://tinyurl.com/3a39eom

Just what is needed or doomed to failure?

[Gromit]

The Tories had a similar scheme in the 1980s called the Youth Training Scheme (YTS).. As the named suggested, it was aimed at young unemployed, who were forced by the threat of loss of benefit to work peanuts. The scheme was mostly exploited by unscrupulous employers, who got a pool of young workers for next to nothing. It was not a great success and cost a fortune to run until it was scrapped.
The new proposals will, if they are daft enough to introduce such a thing, suffer the same fate.
The timing isn't good either, when Government cuts are likely to put another 2 million currently working and paying tax, into unemployment.

[HARPY]

I am surprised some of you have not suggested putting the sick to sleep, think of the money the country would save.

[B00]

I like that idea harpy! Lets enforce it :-)

[HARPY]

You first

[B00]

If i could, i would gladly Harpy :-)

Especially the guy who whined that he wanted a job as I served him at work, but when i pointed out the advert we had up offering cleaning jobs he screwed his face up and said "ewww no, im not doing that"

[HARPY]

Needles ....... ewww No thanks :)

[Gromit]

I wonder how it will work? £65 is about 11 hours at minimum wage, or a couple of hours a day. What would be the support costs and administration costs be to employ someone for such a short time?, Would an employer think it value for money for or just not bother?

That is assuming normal rules are applied. If they are expected to work full time (40 hours) for their £65, they will in effect be on a quarter of the minimum wage. I can see that option being attractive to potential employers. They could sack all their minimum wage staff and employ Jobseekers, and reduce their wage bill by 75%'.

It was crazy policies like this that had them rioting on the streets 30 years ago, some politicians never learn.

[B00]

Needles? in a supermarket? Grantred we ARE grim up north, but our local store aint that bad...yet!

[Sqad]

I agree with Gromit.....getting the great British unemployed and unwashed out in the morning to do some work is a good idea, but impossible to put into practice. Would you like to go into their smelly, dysfunctional, untidy homes to drag them out of their "pits" to do some work?....I wouldn´t.

As Gromit says, it will die a death.

[HARPY]

Years back my friend was on a job scheme, never late and good at the job after several months the firm got rid of him.
Week later some other youth was taken on , just a way of getting cheap labour for some firms.


As Gromit has said they never learn.

[B00]

I agree sqad, probably never take off and more than likely will cost more money in the long run to enforce, but by God I wish it would happen.

The amount of people who i personally know who have no jobs, have no intentions of getting a job, yet have more money than me, sickens me.

[rov1200]

Things must have improved from a few years ago. A similar scheme paid you just £10 for a weeks work. The employers liked it as they were getting free labour. These were not just menial jobs but involved IT, gardening etc. If you refused to take it you would lose your dole money.

[Gromit]

A lot of the people about to lose their jobs will be the long servers who are expensive to employ because of their wage scales. A very many of the 50 somethings will have little prospect of getting another job soon. A printer friend of mine has been unemployed for a year. He is 57, had an explemplary work record, is skilled, and has paid his taxes all his life. He has applied for hundreds of jobs, but has not been taken on, one suspects it is because of his age. Is he now expected to do these unspecified non jobs for a pittance?

[ummmm]

Gromit....I can't see it being for people like your friend. They know by your claims record who is work shy and who isn't.

[Hopkirk]

Trouble is we will have to set up a quango to run it, supply protective equipment such as high viz jackets, gloves, possibly safety boots etc etc.

Then there is the requirement under health and safety law for adequate training.

Transport to and from place of work.

An effective management structure with reliable reporting of attendance and effort put into the tasks.

I am sure there are many other costs involved aswell, but we can always raise taxes to pay for this.

[dotty.]

advice to mature job applicants: never put your age or date of birth on your application form, never put the year you left school, just put the qualifications/grades achieved and always use the term 'educated to GCSE standard' even if you failed them all,.
Your CV has to get you through the screening process and to interview, that's when you have the chance to shine.

[rov1200]

///A lot of the people about to lose their jobs will be the long servers who are expensive to employ because of their wage scales. A very many of the 50 somethings will have little prospect of getting another job soon. A printer friend of mine has been unemployed for a year. He is 57, had an explemplary work record, is skilled, and has paid his taxes all his life. He has applied for hundreds of jobs, but has not been taken on, one suspects it is because of his age. Is he now expected to do these unspecified non jobs for a pittance?///


I think you have hit the nail on the head Gromit that applies to many of the long term unemployed. Rather than take an unskilled job below their talents they prefer to be unemployed and claim the unemployed pittance. Take any day of the week and you will see cyclists and runners spending their time more creatively and for self interest.