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Is Frankie Boyle the new Bernard Manning?
Is there now a strong case for getting Frankie Boyle off the telly in the same way that broadcasters turned their backs on Bernard Manning and Jim Davidson?
http://www.dailymail....nd-The-Buzzcocks.html
Or does his 'bleeding edge' style of comedy push the boundaries in a way that actually advances comedy?
http://www.dailymail....nd-The-Buzzcocks.html
Or does his 'bleeding edge' style of comedy push the boundaries in a way that actually advances comedy?
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I think ludwig has hit on the main point about Boyle's controversy.
As ludwig says, genuine satire - which is designed to make you think as much as laugh - of the sort produced by Chris Morris - is genuinely pushing the boundaries, rather than Boyle's somewhat smug attempts to upset people.
As ludwig says, genuine satire - which is designed to make you think as much as laugh - of the sort produced by Chris Morris - is genuinely pushing the boundaries, rather than Boyle's somewhat smug attempts to upset people.
10:46 Thu 06th Jan 2011
I didn't find the joke about Jordan and Harvey funny either.
I can't really put up a good argument on the subject but why should the majority not be able to watch him because a minority find him offensive.
If it worked like that EastEnders would be pulled because of the amount of complaints they've received.
I can't really put up a good argument on the subject but why should the majority not be able to watch him because a minority find him offensive.
If it worked like that EastEnders would be pulled because of the amount of complaints they've received.
It's about form and content.
As I have opined on another thread, soaps are dramas, and often take a moral stand when working with social issues - wrongdoers rarely escape punishment for instance. In this 'cot death' scenario - I have to admit I don't watch EE so my opinion is based on what I have read - the furore appears to have been caused not by the cot death storyline, but by the ongoing reaction, which some people feel infers that cot death mothers become deranged baby-snatchers - hence the complaints to the BBC.
I do feel that these issues are not comparable simply because they have caused complaints and media attention.
My argument against Frankie Boyle is that he is producing socially unacceptable material using personal attacks on balemess individuals, under the cover of 'edgy comedy', whereas in fact it is neither edgy or comic - simply unacceptable.
As I have opined on another thread, soaps are dramas, and often take a moral stand when working with social issues - wrongdoers rarely escape punishment for instance. In this 'cot death' scenario - I have to admit I don't watch EE so my opinion is based on what I have read - the furore appears to have been caused not by the cot death storyline, but by the ongoing reaction, which some people feel infers that cot death mothers become deranged baby-snatchers - hence the complaints to the BBC.
I do feel that these issues are not comparable simply because they have caused complaints and media attention.
My argument against Frankie Boyle is that he is producing socially unacceptable material using personal attacks on balemess individuals, under the cover of 'edgy comedy', whereas in fact it is neither edgy or comic - simply unacceptable.
I can't see anything funny at all in Frankie Boyle. Yes he is offensive, but to me that is not the point. As far as I am concerned there is absolutely nothing funny about anything he does or says. He is totally and utterly boring.
I don't like Bernard Manning and Jim Davidson, but admit that there is an element of humour is some of their stuff. There were a lot of comediens about like them before pc took hold.
I don't like Bernard Manning and Jim Davidson, but admit that there is an element of humour is some of their stuff. There were a lot of comediens about like them before pc took hold.
andy-hughes/ludwig
Your points echo exactly what I feel. Whilst I don't have strong feelings either way on FB (never seen any of his shows), I agree that the "if you don't like him just switch over" argument is flawed, because we as a society should dictate the bounds if what is acceptable.
Also, I agree that much of Chris Morris' work is truly 'bleeding edge', and as for pushing boundaries, Armando Iannucci (forgive spelling) is more of a comedy pioneer.
And finally - Frankie will never steal Joan Rivers' crown for shocking humour. She still makes my jaw drop, and she's in her 70s!!
Your points echo exactly what I feel. Whilst I don't have strong feelings either way on FB (never seen any of his shows), I agree that the "if you don't like him just switch over" argument is flawed, because we as a society should dictate the bounds if what is acceptable.
Also, I agree that much of Chris Morris' work is truly 'bleeding edge', and as for pushing boundaries, Armando Iannucci (forgive spelling) is more of a comedy pioneer.
And finally - Frankie will never steal Joan Rivers' crown for shocking humour. She still makes my jaw drop, and she's in her 70s!!
Regardless of your comedic tastes, you've got to be impressed by a man who can grow a beard of that quality:
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Well i like Frankie Boyle, not his sketch show series that just doesnt really work for me but his stand-up shows are very funny in my opinion and make me laugh. Perhaps i shouldnt laugh at his very un-pc, below the belt material but i cant help it, even though perhaps i should not. Maybe im a bad person?!!
Booldawg - I refer you back to my posts thoguhout the thread ...
Sooper - you are entirely free to be amused by anything you see and hear, that's not the issue I have raised.
My point is not about the humour - or absence of it - from FB's output, it is the suitability of it being offered for mass mainstream consumption, and its use of verbal attacks on an innocent individual and her child to obtain an outraged reaction, and then simply pass it off with a cheesy grin inferring that lack of a sense of humour and sophistication in those who think it is fundamentally wrong to behave in this way on national television.
Sooper - you are entirely free to be amused by anything you see and hear, that's not the issue I have raised.
My point is not about the humour - or absence of it - from FB's output, it is the suitability of it being offered for mass mainstream consumption, and its use of verbal attacks on an innocent individual and her child to obtain an outraged reaction, and then simply pass it off with a cheesy grin inferring that lack of a sense of humour and sophistication in those who think it is fundamentally wrong to behave in this way on national television.
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