Is this Brilliant or Wot ;

[brionon]

Tory idea - Sack 2000 Council Workers in Manchester, they can then go on the Dole,so you Pay 'em for NOT working. Tory economics. Brilliant or Wot ?

[Davethedog]

But this is where Labour public spending went. If you stop public spending you have to make people redundant.

Never mind theres 2million jobs coming - George Osbourne said so.

[WELSHYORKIE]

And they say they would hope the job losses will be by natural wastage!!

[ChuckFickens]

What's wot?

[andy-hughes]

It's not as simplistic as that - and i am sure you know that.

The current salaries for the workers are paid for out of the Council's budget - so they save money.

Benefit comes out the national budget - and will hopefully only last as long as it takes for them to find new jobs.

It;s not ideal - but a defecit is not ideal for anyone.

[jake-the-peg]

I think it's ideal for the bankers who got 850 billion and are now paying themselves 7 figure bonuses.

Ah but that's OK because those investments are now in profit - they tell us

Well they are if you don't count all the bad debts that were split out into "bad banks" - how stupid do these people think we are?

[rov1100]

And most of the job losses are down at the bottom end. The high paid executives will be keeping their jobs. Not only those job losses but councils are cutting services hugely. We are all in it together provided the upper echelon are unaffected.

[New Judge]

It’s unfortunate or maybe even disastrous for those affected.

However, the root cause of this is the ridiculous expansion of the public sector headcount over which the previous government presided. The level of public sector employment was clearly unsustainable and has to be tackled.

The trick will be for local authorities to make the cuts by minimising the effect on essential services. The “Diversity Advisers” and “Five-A-Day Ccoordinators” should go, but I doubt they will.

Incidentally, jake, you may find that the money paid to bankers in bonuses is actually better value for the taxpayer. These bonuses will attract 50% Income Tax, 10% National Insurance and 20% VAT on most of the rest as it is spent. If it is retained in the companies as profits it will only be taxed at the 24% Corporation Tax rate. Just a thought.

[jake-the-peg]

I think New Judge you will find that the 50% rate was introduced as a one off by the Labour Government and has not been extended by this administration.

The argument is still fairly innumerate.

You'll have to see an awful lot of bank bonuses taxed at those rates to reach the 850 Billion that they've cost us.

Nice try though

[rov1100]

The trouble with the coalition tax on banks is that it will hit all banks not just the big bonus tax payers. At least the extra 50% bonus tax hits only those banks paying it out and i believe there only a handful doing so and in the long run the taxpayer will gain more even though the banker will receive those higher rewards.

Why should the good banks subsidise these multi glomerates.

[R1Geezer]

Now lets' see, who pays public sector workers? Take your time!

Now if we don't pay them 30k a year to be Gay outreach workers against the bomb and instead pay them 10k until they get another job, we are 20k a year up. Geddit?

I know arithmetic is not the strong suit of yer lefty.

It's Noo Labour creating 600,000 non jobs that is now being reversed.

[New Judge]

I was not talking about the one-off tax, jake. I was talking about income tax. From April 6th this year income above £150k will be taxed at 50%:

Further, I was not suggesting that such a tax would recover all of the sums that taxpayers had paid to bail out the banks. I was suggesting that the money spent on bankers’ bonuses would be better value for the taxpayer as around 80% of it would be returned to the Exchequer whereas, only 24% of it would be returned if the same sums were kept with the banks as profits.

I hope that is a little less innumerate, but in any case methinks we digress a little.

[brionon]

Well you Tory lovers don't agree but I think it's better to pay people to work than to pay them to stay home.

[Hymie]

If the voices on my wireless are to be believed - Manchester City council has a ‘Twitter Tsar’ (whatever one of them does), on £40k p.a.

[R1Geezer]

just a matter of Arithmetic, I'd rather lose fiver than a tenner.

[sambro]

i wonder how many of the 2000 voted tory or lib dem at the last election?

[factor-fiction]

Extending your argument brionon, shouldn't councils create non-existent jobs for all unemployed people and pay them a good wage (with pension benefits built in)?

[R1Geezer]

none sambro, public sector types tend to be Noo/Red Labour. Not the forces or plod though generally.

[DrFilth]

some of these 2000 workers if they have a famly will get more out of work than they did working for the council.

it must be time for someone to sart up another benefit scroungers thread
don't these scroungers make you sick blah blah blah