Far-Right Group Exposed In Undercover Bbc Investigation

[naomi24]

///The group cannot be banned under current legislation as they do not advocate terrorism but Dame Sara Khan, the UK's first Counter-Extremism Commissioner, feels they are "creating a climate conducive to terrorism".... The group, considered to be the UK's largest far-right group with about 500 members and thousands of followers online, says it exists to "raise awareness" of immigration and promote "family values". //

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn8xykr5v95o

 

Is raising awareness and promoting family values likely to create a climate conducive to terrorism - or is this just another way to silence concerns?

[Untitled]

what some people do naomi is try to lead others to the conclusion that violence is justified and that there is no alternative. such people will often place a premium on "politeness", gently suggesting for instance that "certain groups" are innately undesirable and cannot be reasoned with and suggesting also that the judiciary is corrupt and cannot be trusted. they use innuendo and diplomatic language to give this impression and then when others come to violent conclusions (e.g. "bulldoze the mosques" or "put them all in camps" or "if we terrorise them maybe they will leave") what such people will do is say nothing to contradict it or make very faint and unenthusiastic objections or say how they find it "understandable". all effectively facilitating terrorism and violence without actually saying so openly.

but i'm sure you wouldn't know a thing about that. i'm sure you'd never even dream of doing such a thing. i'm sure you're far too... "polite".

[curlyfries81]

Anyone exhibiting a modicum of patriotism, anyone who is proud to be British or anyone not holding out the welcome banners to all those entering the country illegally or who wish to have an enquiry into Muslim grooming gangs are deemed "far-right" or "Neo-Nazis" these days.

 

Oh, here's a thought ... maybe we far-right Neo-whatsits are just sick to death of seeing our country being filled up with illegals who have no respect for women or girls and want to milk our system and breed until we ourselves become the minority. Maybe we are fed up to our back teeth of it, eh?

[naomi24]

untitled, this isn't about me.  Do make an effort to conduct an adult conversation - and in case you don't know what that is, it means conveying your opinions without succumbing to the impulse to attack your fellow contributors on a personal level.

[THECORBYLOON]

From your link, The secret filming exposed how the more extreme views of some members came out, like when Aaron Watkins offered Dan some casual work.

Mr Watkins is now a handyman after losing his tax job at HMRC after being outed for making racist comments online and being spotted at demonstrations.

While the pair were wallpapering a house, Mr Watkins told Dan: "The communities that are the most diverse are the people we want to get rid of, violently preferably.

Round them up into camps and if they refuse to leave, we shoot them. The people who come here are parasites.'

Does that appear to be reasonable?

[New Judge]

"Is raising awareness and promoting family values likely to create a climate conducive to terrorism - or is this just another way to silence concerns?"

The latter, I'm afraid.

Any effort to have a reasoned debate about the disaster that is uncontrolled immigration in this country is howled down with accusations of racism and worse. Anybody raising such concerns is automaically labelled "Far Right" .

So it is no wonder that groups who really are extreme rise to the surface because it seems that - once again - the reasoned and legitimate views of huge numbers of people are simply being brushed aside.

The vast majority of those people are not extremists. There are not too many among them who want to see migrants shot. All they want is for the government to keep them out by maintaing a strong control of our borders.

If that is considered racist then I am a racist. But that's a cross I shall have to bear.

[webbo3]

What's far right?

[youngmafbog]

"Is raising awareness and promoting family values likely to create a climate conducive to terrorism - or is this just another way to silence concerns?"

As NJ says, definitely the later.  An I think your first reply displays the problem excellently.

Guess I am far right as, unlike 2TK, I love my country.

[youngmafbog]

//What's far right?//

You, me NJ anyone who dares disagree with the fr left mantra.

See the first post.

[davebro3]

// Dame Sara Khan, the UK's first Counter-Extremism Commissioner//

Will she be addressing the extremism of the net-zero zealots!

[youngmafbog]

Of course not all this group does is just like PREVENT, aim for "far right" groups, you know the ones that blow us up and attack people on a regular basis.

[douglas9401]

Secret filming of anywhere will expose concerns, that's maybe why it doesn't seem to be used in investigations of those of a darker hue.

Meanwhile the downward spiral continues.

[youngmafbog]

The problem with secret filming is that it can be very selective and also expose people saying things to others they thought had the same or similar view in a confined and trusted environment.  It often seems to me to be close to infringing peoples freedom of speech.  In addition to that they have in the past used a plant to lead someone on.  So long as it doesnt cath someone inciting violence or terror (breaking the law) then it should be taken with a pinch of salt.

And I think it has been done to those of a different hue.

[bednobs]

i agree with ymb

[tommy39]

nonsense they are patriots and are concerned about the way this country is going

[tomus42]

//Is raising awareness and promoting family values likely to create a climate conducive to terrorism //

No, but that's not what they're doing is it. They're talking about shooting parasites and putting people in camps.

Anyway, if big brother is trying to silence concerns he's not doing very well is he. AB for example is chock full of concerned 'awareness raisers'.

[Old_Geezer]

Still no level of freedom of speech left in the UK ?

 

Seriously advocating someone be shot is surely already covered by existing law. 

[Old_Geezer]

Illegal economic migrants yet to be returned should be in camps. That way they can't wander off while the authorities are extracting their digit, stamping/signing the rejection slip, and sending them back over the border again.

[ToraToraTora]

12:11 That is a pretty close description of muslims.

[david small]

It's just another way to silence concerns. Using fear to steer the public's attention away from real concerns.