Ev 1413

[hankir]

The clues are in alphabetic order.
This clue appears somewhere in the middle. No answer lengths are given.
The longest grid entry is 9 letters.

Cry of joy about succeeding being at full length (two wds)

Thanks.

[ProfessorMaisie]

IN EXTENSO

[ProfessorMaisie]

'Cry of joy' = IO (around) 'succeeding' = NEXT (around) 'being' = ENS

[hankir]

Thanks ProfessorMaisie.

That answer would clash with 17d. I have a 5 letter word for bird ending in L.

If you can also help with 4d. That would get me going.

Writer retorts, upset about American invaders?(11)

[ProfessorMaisie]

...that 2nd (around) should be +

[ProfessorMaisie]

You'll soon see how the entries avoid clashing, hankir.

[ProfessorMaisie]

4d is the key.

The clue answer is 'penetrators' - but don't put that in.

[ProfessorMaisie]

...for 17d you have the right bird but the answer is a river.

[hankir]

I did not understand your comment, Professor.
Which clue you are referring to?

[hankir]

Thanks Professor.
We crossed.

I was referring to your answer :
...that 2nd (around) should be +

[ProfessorMaisie]

...if it's the '(around) should be +' bit you mean, that's for IN EXTENSO (you answered too quickly for me).

[ProfessorMaisie]

...we've just done it again, hankir (sorry - I'm very slow!).

[hankir]

I was entering answer "In Extenso"in 9th row.
The bird loses L and becomes river. That's my entry at 17d.
The N clashes with second letter of 17d.
As you said, it will become clear later on.

[ProfessorMaisie]

...as a way forward - 4dn is the key (as I said) so you're ok entering across answers upto that point - then, beware!

[ProfessorMaisie]

...upto and including that point is ok. You'll soon see another word taking shape in 4dn.

[hankir]

Thanks Professor.

Still trying to solve across clues.
What are the defs in clues starting ('Tis...) and (Is returning....?)

[ProfessorMaisie]

'Tis...' is sort of &lit - the whole clue is the def (first 2 words are the anagram) I haven't found it in Chambers yet but it looks like 2 words possibly hyphenated.

[ProfessorMaisie]

...the anag is minus the 'e' - last letter from 'harangue'

[ProfessorMaisie]

'houses' is the def for the other one - you need the character from Massenet's opera around 'is' (reversed).

[hankir]

Thanks Professor.

I did not realize that the first clue answer can be ten letters long.
The preacher turns up 4-6.
I can enter first 4 and then have to solve other clues to decide what letters go in from Col. 4 to 9.

I will have to look up Messenet operas. Not familiar with them.
But is reversed in houses could be resides. Most grid lengths are 4 or 5. 8.9..

My answer to 4th clue Observes... is 8 letters long.

[hankir]

I just looked up Messnet heroine.
Thanks for that tip, Professor.