Azed 2607 Parsing Help Please - 2 Letters To Confirm

[JJ109]

2d Second college crew beside river get soaked, upended (6) TORPI _
It must be torpid, but why?

23d Bird’s prey rook initially dropped (5) A _ INE
I think it is AVINE (avian/birds) but why does Ravine = prey - R(ook) = avine
Ravine = prey ?????

Many thanks

[Neveracrossword]

Ravin, raven and ravine have an entry in Chambers, and it says 'in Spenser and Milton, prey'.

[mallyh]

if you google torpid meaning it says in my first year i rowed on Torpids ....a series of races for eight oared rowing boats held in Hilary term

[mallyh]

^^^^^in Torpids not on ,sorry

[JJ109]

Many thanks to both of you, Nac and Mallyh

[JJ109]

Unfortunately, I still do not see how the clue works mallyh!

[mallyh]

(Oxford uni)all i can see is Keble were the first then Torpid and it's some sort of bumping race

[Neveracrossword]

JJ109, Chambers has 'torpid' defined as the a second boat of a college', but I can't put the rest together! Pid is Dip, reversed,upended and that could be 'soaked', but I'm left with Tor (or Rot, if that's included in the 'upended')

[JJ109]

Thanks again both - you got as far as me Nac, - I can't see the dip rot.

I know it is torpid - but I absolutely hate it when I can't totally parse an answer!

[aelmpvw]

to r pid
could to be a synonym for beside?

[Neveracrossword]

Aelm... that sounds a pretty likely solution to me. Thanks.

[scorpiojo]

To (beside, Chambers) r(iver) + dip reversed

[JJ109]

Many thanks everyone

[teacher1]

Help please ......

17a. Gently, maybe part of basic education is fed to backward child.

6d. Harsh sound I'd released turning up rackets. (5) ror?s

[teacher1]

17a. missed out the letters ..... dir?

[Captain2]

6d Rorts

Rort

unknown - a rowdy, usually drunken party.
a dishonest scheme

[Captain2]

^^^ Take I'd out of torrid

[ProfessorMaisie]

17a DIRK (R inside KID reversed) Dirk Gently is Douglas Adams' fictional detective.

[ProfessorMaisie]

6d is id removed from STRidOR ('harsh sound') reversed.

[Captain2]

Ta, Prof - I was wondering where the 's' came from! Right answer though, so a bonus. ;)))

[ProfessorMaisie]

Yes, Captain2 - I took the same route as you did to get the answer (and also wondered about that 's').