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Ah! My thanks to you for clarifying your 'stone' reference, BC. The jest escaped me, for the simple reason that quite a few Listenerites clearly have doubted the sincerity and permissibility of my stance...often in an obnoxious manner.
Apologies for my misunderstanding and I should be delighted to have a few beers with you or even some of them. Perhaps, after a couple of pints, I would cease to be the ogre they seem to imagine! They would, however, never convince me I was wrong in the matter of our disagreement, however piddled I got! Cheers
Apologies for my misunderstanding and I should be delighted to have a few beers with you or even some of them. Perhaps, after a couple of pints, I would cease to be the ogre they seem to imagine! They would, however, never convince me I was wrong in the matter of our disagreement, however piddled I got! Cheers
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Cruciverbalist, thank you for providing the link to what proved to be a fairly routine test.
Now (if others will forgive), I'll join the peripheral debate ... Quizmonster - someone (and I'm sure that it is now generally accepted that it was not Voltaire) once said "I can't agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it".
Bravo, I couldn't agree more - as bobbycollins says above, you should go ahead and do what you feel is right on this board.
However, in saying what you do, you do tend to take a very aggressive stance. I and others have tried to reason with you in the past to no avail. Yes, this IS as you keep insisting the ANSWERbank - however that is no absolute reason to insist on revealing answers here. For the most part, there has been a tendency to coach and encourage on Listener threads here of late - no more no less.
I don't want to enter a bidding war on degrees, IQ and the like - as for one thing I think you wrongly asssume that intelligence is the opposite of ignorance. Not so - I think many intelligent people can be accused of ignorance from time to time.
I am surprised that you - a product (like me) of what I see as the golden age of our education system (and particularly also with a Masters) - should feel it blindly appropriate to give an answer if someone requests one. Isn't that the way education has been so dreadfully diluted nowadays? For heavens' sake, let us create a spark here, encourage people to think as we once were taught! There is no need to spoon-feed, feed the flames instead.
I have crossed with you in the past on such issues, but am no pure 'Listenerite' as you term it. Unlike your stereotype, I heartily applaud gentle encouragement on the Listener threads on this site. Long may those in the know encourage and nurture those still learning.
(to be continued ...)
Now (if others will forgive), I'll join the peripheral debate ... Quizmonster - someone (and I'm sure that it is now generally accepted that it was not Voltaire) once said "I can't agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it".
Bravo, I couldn't agree more - as bobbycollins says above, you should go ahead and do what you feel is right on this board.
However, in saying what you do, you do tend to take a very aggressive stance. I and others have tried to reason with you in the past to no avail. Yes, this IS as you keep insisting the ANSWERbank - however that is no absolute reason to insist on revealing answers here. For the most part, there has been a tendency to coach and encourage on Listener threads here of late - no more no less.
I don't want to enter a bidding war on degrees, IQ and the like - as for one thing I think you wrongly asssume that intelligence is the opposite of ignorance. Not so - I think many intelligent people can be accused of ignorance from time to time.
I am surprised that you - a product (like me) of what I see as the golden age of our education system (and particularly also with a Masters) - should feel it blindly appropriate to give an answer if someone requests one. Isn't that the way education has been so dreadfully diluted nowadays? For heavens' sake, let us create a spark here, encourage people to think as we once were taught! There is no need to spoon-feed, feed the flames instead.
I have crossed with you in the past on such issues, but am no pure 'Listenerite' as you term it. Unlike your stereotype, I heartily applaud gentle encouragement on the Listener threads on this site. Long may those in the know encourage and nurture those still learning.
(to be continued ...)
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However, I do have great respect for those who DO revere and hold dear the institution which is the Listener, the statistics etc.
PLEASE, please let's also try very hard to respect their feelings and principles too! That pseudo-Voltairian quote above significantly recognises their right to be heard as much as yours and mine!
That said, I'd also happily argue the toss over a pint with you!
Apologies for the length of rant and best regards to ALL.
However, I do have great respect for those who DO revere and hold dear the institution which is the Listener, the statistics etc.
PLEASE, please let's also try very hard to respect their feelings and principles too! That pseudo-Voltairian quote above significantly recognises their right to be heard as much as yours and mine!
That said, I'd also happily argue the toss over a pint with you!
Apologies for the length of rant and best regards to ALL.
(AnswerBank seems to think there are over 2000 characters in this response, whereas my character-counter makes it some 1500. Still, I'd better split it in two.)
Eddery, if you click here, you will find a question I posted here some five years ago. Granted it refers to AnswerBank queries about quizzes, but the point applied equally to crosswords.
I had been, frankly, horrified to see to what use the Q & P category was being put. But, when it became clear that I was howling alone in the wilderness, I decided, "If you can't beat �em, join �em!"
However, I elected to provide answers where I could to ALL such queries for the obvious reason that no rational grounds exist to justify picking and choosing. The �sacred statistics' are no more than a pathetic smokescreen. The main elements of these which are of any real significance to individual solvers in my view are...a) How many grids did I complete successfully this year? And b) How long is it since I last submitted a grid with a mistake?
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Eddery, if you click here, you will find a question I posted here some five years ago. Granted it refers to AnswerBank queries about quizzes, but the point applied equally to crosswords.
I had been, frankly, horrified to see to what use the Q & P category was being put. But, when it became clear that I was howling alone in the wilderness, I decided, "If you can't beat �em, join �em!"
However, I elected to provide answers where I could to ALL such queries for the obvious reason that no rational grounds exist to justify picking and choosing. The �sacred statistics' are no more than a pathetic smokescreen. The main elements of these which are of any real significance to individual solvers in my view are...a) How many grids did I complete successfully this year? And b) How long is it since I last submitted a grid with a mistake?
cont...
cont...
If a correct answer provided on AnswerBank resulted in 200 additional correct grids being submitted...and what are the chances of that, would you say?.. what impact would that have on these two numbers? None whatsoever! In any case, is there even a shred of evidence that such an answer has led to even a single correct grid's being entered? This whole, "I shall resign if they don't stop it!" on the statistician's part is a nonsense.
In conclusion, therefore, there is still no way in which your reasonably �gentle' words are likely to sway me. "What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander" is a relatively simple concept to grasp and - if my efforts with Mephisto, Azed, Genius etc are to be gaily subverted by Listenerites - then their efforts with the Listener will continue to be subverted by me. There are quite a few others who take the same view. End of story. And I really will leave it at that. Cheers
If a correct answer provided on AnswerBank resulted in 200 additional correct grids being submitted...and what are the chances of that, would you say?.. what impact would that have on these two numbers? None whatsoever! In any case, is there even a shred of evidence that such an answer has led to even a single correct grid's being entered? This whole, "I shall resign if they don't stop it!" on the statistician's part is a nonsense.
In conclusion, therefore, there is still no way in which your reasonably �gentle' words are likely to sway me. "What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander" is a relatively simple concept to grasp and - if my efforts with Mephisto, Azed, Genius etc are to be gaily subverted by Listenerites - then their efforts with the Listener will continue to be subverted by me. There are quite a few others who take the same view. End of story. And I really will leave it at that. Cheers
Blast! The link does not work, it seems. Try http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Phrases-and-say ings/Question39274.html
