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Listener Crossword 4055 fiDlEDE by Waterloo
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A fairly typical Waterloo offering with a mix of simple, difficult and amusing clues. The problem is not so much in solving them, but getting the grid entry correct. Another one I think that would be of interest to newcomers, though less easy than some recently.
As a footnote, I see that the editors have allowed several options for the answer in 4052 "Question" by Aedites. Do I detect a slip-up in the proof-reading ?
As a footnote, I see that the editors have allowed several options for the answer in 4052 "Question" by Aedites. Do I detect a slip-up in the proof-reading ?
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For more on marking an answer as the "Best Answer", please visit our FAQ.i have only just started this one, but by the looks of it there will be no thematic give-away postings here this week. I doubt it (from what you say), but it would be nice for those capital letters to spell something out.
I really wanted to add a comment about 4052 as well. I wonder if the editors looked at our discussion when choosing to allow church, campanile, belfry and bell tower as we discussed all those as potential options. Can anyone enlighten me regarding why the order should have ended with gfedc and not started with gfedc or any other combination? Does a change-ringing format have to have an identical pairing column like the solution of 4052? It seems that this required more research than a trip to library, which is what they instruct in their setting criteria. Even with the internet, there is little info stating how to start or end the pattern.
Anyway, back to 4055
I really wanted to add a comment about 4052 as well. I wonder if the editors looked at our discussion when choosing to allow church, campanile, belfry and bell tower as we discussed all those as potential options. Can anyone enlighten me regarding why the order should have ended with gfedc and not started with gfedc or any other combination? Does a change-ringing format have to have an identical pairing column like the solution of 4052? It seems that this required more research than a trip to library, which is what they instruct in their setting criteria. Even with the internet, there is little info stating how to start or end the pattern.
Anyway, back to 4055
Yes, a little disappointing that there wasn't a sting in the tail. I'd been hopeful of something more - particularly given the asymmetry - so even that aspect became a let down for the tidy-minded. Never mind, a nice one for the novice and of course it leaves a lot of the weekend for more constructive pursuits. The garden beckons!
In answer to midazolam\'s question about change ringing, it is indeed normal to start and finish with \"rounds\", but this cannot normally be achieved in such a short section, so I guess that finishing in rounds is more satisfying than starting there. Normally bells are given numbers, but I think the letters are the musical notes, so gfedc is part of the descending c major scale - called \"rounds\". If you listen to church bells, you should hear this pattern at the start and end of every piece of ringing. The lightest bell (g here) is called the treble, and normally follows a simpler pattern than the other bells. In this puzzle, it twice moves from first to last position and back again. Thus, each of the two column sections is a \"lead\". Normally, all leads would show the same pattern, but with the heavier bells permuted. Is suspect that this proved a bit difficult, so Aedites used two different patterns (or \"methods\").
I hope this hasn\'t bored you all (I\'ve tried to be brief!). However, I\'ve just finished my first ever words Listener (having done the number ones for ages) so I\'m feeling a bit chuffed.
I hope this hasn\'t bored you all (I\'ve tried to be brief!). However, I\'ve just finished my first ever words Listener (having done the number ones for ages) so I\'m feeling a bit chuffed.
Yes, daagg (or dAG :)) I share that great feeling, and I don't feel that it was so easy, as there was lots of wordplay to decipher. I agree about the disappointing lack of a felled cherry tree at the end or a set of bells (thanks for the fascinating clarification) but did really appreciate the great clarity of the definitions which were word for word Chambers, removing any remaining doubts.
.............. or why not take a look at today\'s Azed crossword ?
http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Observer/documents/2009/10/06/Azed1950.pdf
http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Observer/documents/2009/10/06/Azed1950.pdf
Sorry to still be discussing bell ringing, but I've just noticed that rounds would be the row before the first row in the left column. Aedites has therefore chosen two methods which are inverses of each other, to start and end in rounds. The correct way to look at this is to join the bottom of the right column to the top of the left.
I'm sure I have 31dn correct, but I don't understand the wordplay - any hints anyone?
I'm sure I have 31dn correct, but I don't understand the wordplay - any hints anyone?
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