Saturday Times Cryptic 24592 Saturday July 17th 2010

[diogenes44]

24. Pal, shy when drunk? (4) t?s?
16. One initiating romance with girl at end of old-fashioned dance (8) ?A?L?A?D. Assuming it's Galliard - Gal + liar +d . Is an initiator of romance a liar, or is ' romance' code for lying?

[greyfox]

Tosh

'One initiating romance' is liar. Gal liar d is correct.

[bibblebub]

24 tosh??? is how one might say 't o s s' when drunk but pal?

16 yes romance = lie - defn 8 http://www.chambersha...le=21st&query=romance

[greyfox]

Tosh is another word for friend.

[diogenes44]

Many thx to both.

[bibblebub]

that does seem vaguely familiar greyfox but I can't find a reference to it anywhere, online or in hardback

[frameshift]

Chambers: Tosh (used as a form of address) friend, chum. Might be a northern thing, very common in use in the sixties where I come from in the north. Can also be mildly insulting.

[bibblebub]

ok ta

[frameshift]

Mildly insulting, because 'tosh' also means 'rubbish'. Nice to help you after all the clues you've helped me with.