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With Ice cream I have to assume that the compiler means ice cream pretty much as we know it today so that can't predate refrigeration (1812) or can it?. Disregarding anything before say 1820 I can find ice cream in Victoriuan England but that can be anywhere between 1842 -1901 and there are reference sto ice cream parlours in USA in 1861 and you don't open shops to sell some thing that hasn't yet been invented so it must have been around in the States in 1850 something and that could be clashing with Victorian Britain. I think Italy improved on something that originated elsewhere.