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Which was the first shoe BRAND to be listed in the Oxford English Dictionary?
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For more on marking an answer as the "Best Answer", please visit our FAQ.Thanks so far everybody.... yes mamyalynne that is exactly what I am after... an entry that describes the shoe and not just previous existing meanings of the word, where it may have subsequently been hijacked as an advertising tool. That doesn't necessarily mean it's not nike or hush puppy for instance, but its the first listing of the word(s) as a brand that I am after. These two examples existed before they became famous shoe brands, so what I am trying to do is date the reinterpretation of old words with their new meanings. Again having said that the answer could be a brand new word (no pun etc.) I thought I had this question tied -up but I have found something that has made me think I am wrong, and I would be grateful for all help and any advice on how to establish the dating of words.
Unfortunatly I now don't have much time left for this quiz
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Unfortunatly I now don't have much time left for this quiz
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I've been back to OED (Onllne) & the "Search" facility - using the terms 'proprietary', 'shoe' & 'name' - has thrown up -
Ked - "1917 Trade Marks Jrnl. 14 Nov. 1092 Keds..Rubber, Leather, and Fabric Footwear. United States Rubber Company..New York..."
That's the earliest proprietary name I found with this search...
HTH (?)
Ked - "1917 Trade Marks Jrnl. 14 Nov. 1092 Keds..Rubber, Leather, and Fabric Footwear. United States Rubber Company..New York..."
That's the earliest proprietary name I found with this search...
HTH (?)
Thanks again Lie-in King that looks very interesting. I will check it out and try your "access" advice. I am fairly new to this technology, and to some extent still revolve around on the good flat earth, so forgive me if I ask about some of the abbreviations people use like LoL and yours of HTH Honestly I don't know what they mean.
When I tried to access the O/E on line prior to asking this question I tried words that I know exist and kept getting no record found, so I am not entirely at home getting into some of these sites and knowing which options to press, sorry but there it is I have to stand up and admit it My name is .........and I am a computer nitwit !!!!!!
When I tried to access the O/E on line prior to asking this question I tried words that I know exist and kept getting no record found, so I am not entirely at home getting into some of these sites and knowing which options to press, sorry but there it is I have to stand up and admit it My name is .........and I am a computer nitwit !!!!!!
Thanks Mamya I'll keep on plugging away .... just by the way .you don't by any chance recognise the couple in photo 10 of the north east section of http://thenorthernecho.co.uk/leisure/superbrai n/quiz/ please scroll down to find correct set of 10 pictures
Thanks again for info
Thanks again for info
Hi ON THE ROAD - as far as I'm aware - which means I might be wrong! :-), - OED is a subscription service. I get on because I'm a member of my county's library service, so there's no extra cost.
If you're having any trouble getting on the OED site, I'm more than happy to check further for you if you want to define the "Search" terms, such as I used in the answer above.
Of course, by the time I'm able to get back here tomorrow (today, now!) someone may have answered your query to your satisfaction!
...And sorry, regarding your photo, I've looked & although there's someone in the campanile, I can't hear the tune they're playing! Will keep thinking on it... :-)
If you're having any trouble getting on the OED site, I'm more than happy to check further for you if you want to define the "Search" terms, such as I used in the answer above.
Of course, by the time I'm able to get back here tomorrow (today, now!) someone may have answered your query to your satisfaction!
...And sorry, regarding your photo, I've looked & although there's someone in the campanile, I can't hear the tune they're playing! Will keep thinking on it... :-)
Thanks very much Lie-in King I appreciate the offer. I am MORE than happy with the answer you have provided and I have been able to check it through other sites. I realised that O/E is a subscription site ,so I tried the askoxford site which is free, but the majority of replies I got were no record found, however I did manage to get one for Ked which says "sheep tic" As I said earlier I am finding my way inter-net wise at the moment and the one site that drives me mad is imbd because I often can't find what it actually says is there in the initial web -site paragraph, when I get fully into the site. If that makes sense.
Thanks again for your kind help
Thanks again for your kind help
Hi again Lie-in King
I have just realised I didn't explain what my problem was that prompted my initial question and that is which was the first brand to be LISTED in the dictionary. So although we have the oldest, how do we know when it was actually accepted by O/E. Is there a way available to date these entries ...Initially I had thought the answer may be Doc Martens. because I believed O/E might be against brand names and advertising etc. up till more recent years. Within your access to O/E can you date such entries?
I apologise for taking up your time but I appreciate it
I have just realised I didn't explain what my problem was that prompted my initial question and that is which was the first brand to be LISTED in the dictionary. So although we have the oldest, how do we know when it was actually accepted by O/E. Is there a way available to date these entries ...Initially I had thought the answer may be Doc Martens. because I believed O/E might be against brand names and advertising etc. up till more recent years. Within your access to O/E can you date such entries?
I apologise for taking up your time but I appreciate it
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Hi again ON THE ROAD, & apologies for not being able to get back to you sooner...
To the best of my knowledge, the date given at the beginning of an entry is the first known instance of that word's use in printed form. The inclusion of a word in a specific edition of OED, along with its "validation date" doesn't indicate for how long the word has been accepted by OED prior to that edition's publication. I'm not sure it's possible to find out in which edition it was first used (which seems to be what you're after?), although someone here may be able to put us both straight on that!
I've included in the next post all the entries my previous search terms found, with their first (abridged) lines, even though I'm no longer sure if they're of any use! :-)...
Hi again ON THE ROAD, & apologies for not being able to get back to you sooner...
To the best of my knowledge, the date given at the beginning of an entry is the first known instance of that word's use in printed form. The inclusion of a word in a specific edition of OED, along with its "validation date" doesn't indicate for how long the word has been accepted by OED prior to that edition's publication. I'm not sure it's possible to find out in which edition it was first used (which seems to be what you're after?), although someone here may be able to put us both straight on that!
I've included in the next post all the entries my previous search terms found, with their first (abridged) lines, even though I'm no longer sure if they're of any use! :-)...
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1917 Ked - Proprietary name of a soft-soled canvas shoe. - 1917 Trade Marks Jrnl. 14 Nov. 1092 Keds..Rubber, Leather, and Fabric Footwear. United States Rubber Company..New York,..Manufacturers of Rubber Goods.
1921 Mary Jane - A type of low-heeled shoe with a single strap round the ankle or across the instep, usually made of patent leather and traditionally associated with young girls. - A proprietary name in the United Kingdom. - 1921 Amer. Wholesale Corporation (Baltimore)...
1939 loafer - Usu. pl. The proprietary name of a shoe for wearing on informal occasions. - 1939 Trade Marks Jrnl. 19 Apr. 520/2 Loafer. Boots, shoes, slippers, sandals, leggings and gaiters. Fortnum and Mason Ltd.- London.
1940 Elevators - a proprietary name for a make of shoe with a raised insole intended to make the wearer appear taller. Also (now generically) elevator shoe... Stone-Tarlow Co., Inc., Brockton, Mass... Claims use since Dec. 13, 1939.
1961 hush puppy - The proprietary name (Hush Puppy) of a lightweight soft shoe. - 1961 Trade Marks Jrnl... Hush Puppies. Shoes. Wolverine Shoe and Tanning Corporation.
1968 Wallabee - A proprietary name for any of several types of shoe, spec. a rubber-soled, soft, moccasin-style suede shoe. - 1968 Footwear Weekly... Padmore & Barnes of Kilkenny will show their handsewn 'Grasshoppers'...
1977 Doctor Martens - A proprietary name for a type of heavy laced walking boot or shoe with a cushioned sole. Also Doc Martens. - 1977 Trade Marks Jrnl. 23 Mar. 599/1 Dr. Martens... Use claimed from the year 1965... Herbert Funck and Klaus Maertens... Federal Republic of Germany.
Apologies if I've completely missed the point (though it is late!) :-)
1917 Ked - Proprietary name of a soft-soled canvas shoe. - 1917 Trade Marks Jrnl. 14 Nov. 1092 Keds..Rubber, Leather, and Fabric Footwear. United States Rubber Company..New York,..Manufacturers of Rubber Goods.
1921 Mary Jane - A type of low-heeled shoe with a single strap round the ankle or across the instep, usually made of patent leather and traditionally associated with young girls. - A proprietary name in the United Kingdom. - 1921 Amer. Wholesale Corporation (Baltimore)...
1939 loafer - Usu. pl. The proprietary name of a shoe for wearing on informal occasions. - 1939 Trade Marks Jrnl. 19 Apr. 520/2 Loafer. Boots, shoes, slippers, sandals, leggings and gaiters. Fortnum and Mason Ltd.- London.
1940 Elevators - a proprietary name for a make of shoe with a raised insole intended to make the wearer appear taller. Also (now generically) elevator shoe... Stone-Tarlow Co., Inc., Brockton, Mass... Claims use since Dec. 13, 1939.
1961 hush puppy - The proprietary name (Hush Puppy) of a lightweight soft shoe. - 1961 Trade Marks Jrnl... Hush Puppies. Shoes. Wolverine Shoe and Tanning Corporation.
1968 Wallabee - A proprietary name for any of several types of shoe, spec. a rubber-soled, soft, moccasin-style suede shoe. - 1968 Footwear Weekly... Padmore & Barnes of Kilkenny will show their handsewn 'Grasshoppers'...
1977 Doctor Martens - A proprietary name for a type of heavy laced walking boot or shoe with a cushioned sole. Also Doc Martens. - 1977 Trade Marks Jrnl. 23 Mar. 599/1 Dr. Martens... Use claimed from the year 1965... Herbert Funck and Klaus Maertens... Federal Republic of Germany.
Apologies if I've completely missed the point (though it is late!) :-)