Hi Rollo just thought i wud let you know the answer to the question last week (Kind of diving bird) was a Grebe. I think the compiler of the xword made a pigs ear of it bcoz the other clue i gave you was (An arrival after a specified time) & that answer is Latecomer. Which makes the Grebe answer G?R?E no wonder we couldn't finish it. Anyway many thanx 4 all ur help