Sorry that said Naif not Naff. Really struggling today + many people on here forget that am neurolocically challenged yet receive such a public flogging from some pedants here if give a wrong answer. Give more right than wrong answers most days yet you would not think that if you listen to some of the posters + their nasty comments. Called some here monkeys in past as they ganged together like a troop to attack me yet regret calling them this as this was not right. Do not mind when the nice posters point out the right answer but some like to do so whilst looking down their noses at me like they are better than me + to me that is not acceptable. Everyone is equals. Makes me feel like leaving here for good!! Came on here as therapy yet it is proving to be anything but that now- to distract self from all the various pains + to improve memory. Sorry for rant ishbelcmc. Good luck with all your puzzles!