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[gribble]

16a. nobleman's charge for drink, dr?p, I assume answer is drop but just don't get wordplay any help please.

[cupid04]

dram?

[Quizmonster]

You've omitted the word 'foreign' from the clue. I didn't really get going on the X-word until today, but I think it just might be drap, the Scottish version of drop, a drink. Drap is French (foreign) for flag and one meaning of charge is any device on the shield of a coat-of-arms. That could conceivably be a flag, of course. If that is correct, nobleman's is the extra word.
Forgive me if I've barked up the utterly wrong tree!

[gribble]

thanks Quizmonster, that seems much better and appears to make more sense, 'foreign' is the extra word as I have completed all the rest, thanks again and for all your help in the past which has helped me improve over the last couple of years.

[TOMMO33]

I wouldn't be too sure. I haven't got Chambers 2008, but I would be looking for a word that specifically mentions the word 'drink'. One certainty about the Listener crosswords is their accuracy. If we're doubtful about the answer, it's probably wrong.

[fancydan]

D is Lord.......... Ram is to charge........ and Drap is the drink(Albeit Scottish)

[gribble]

thanks fancydan, fully understood now, nobleman=D, charge=RAP, drink=DRAP

[Quizmonster]

Oh well...it looks as if I got the right answer for all the wrong reasons. What the hey...if I get time to finish it, Mr Green won't be any the wiser, will he? Cheers

[midazolam]

this is an awful clue as d = duke and d = lord, both noblemen and also an indirect reference for drink with no Scottish link in the clue

[Quizmonster]

I'm quite amused, because I now recall that 'drap' is French for 'sheet', not 'flag'. Still, flag is DRAPeau so I got more than half of it, which isn't bad given that I've had nothing to do with French for over half a century. Perhaps some particularly amorous knight...Sir BEDivere?... may have had a sheet as part of his escutcheon!

I've always tried to offer you assistance in the past, Gribble, and I'm glad you feel it was a genuine help to you. Sorry to have been so wildly out of kilter this time. Cheers