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Can we really of evolved?
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Im unsure whether we evolved or not. I belive that there maybe slight cases of evolution, but not at the extent of humans and animals... How can we of evolved eyes if we didnt know there was anything to see, and teeth if we didnt know there was anything to chew. And if it was a lucky break, how come loads of other stuff have eyes, we'd have to be related! These are just examples but there are loads of stuff like this when you think about it.
I dont believe in God or anything and am pro science in regards to such issues, but it looks to me as we have been designed or made!!
I dont believe in God or anything and am pro science in regards to such issues, but it looks to me as we have been designed or made!!
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Evolution via natural selection is overwealmingly supported by the evidence. Creationists will point to missing links etc but I think it's generally accepted. With regard to eyes in your question, they where developed in thousands of species over thousands of generations to cater for the needs of that species, in most cases eyes where required to find food or quite often to avoid beccomming food. There is evidence all around to illustrate the evolution of sight from the compound eyes of insects to the supersharp eyes of hawks, necessity is the mother of invention and mother nature, via Evolution, knows it only too well. No one is saying Evolution can at the moment explain everything and yes there are gaps, but there where once gaps in the periodic table, we didn't throw that out of the window did we, we filled in the gaps.
i dont think this can be related to the periodic table, as that is based on subtances that are still around today, and was worked out using calculations based on substances already found like a jigsaw you knew you had bits missing.. evolution is based on time.. and changes that we really dont know and probably never will, like when the dinosaurs died.. im not throwing evolution out the window, just thinking that its an easy for science
If you knew it was an analogy why did you start your sentence with "I don't think this can be related to the periodic table........". I did not say it was related, I was using an analogy.
I was answering your question "Can we really have evolved", you seem to now be making some sort of arbitrary statement regarding time and motion for which you seem to demand unconditional assent.
I was answering your question "Can we really have evolved", you seem to now be making some sort of arbitrary statement regarding time and motion for which you seem to demand unconditional assent.
maybe the word related was a bad choice but you get the idea, iv had enough now, i was hoping to capture some answers from people who ideas of their own, instead of people with narrow minds and 'concrete' 'opinions'. Dont think i demanded anything especially not that my ideas were set in stone. theres a theme going on here.
Think about if from another direction.
We came from some source.
Very crudely if we came from a source less complex than ourselves you can categorise this as Evolution.
If we came from a source more complex than ourselves we might think of this as creation.
In the latter case where did this more complex entity comefrom - logically it must have come from a more complex source still and so on and so on
The only way out of this dillemma is to wave your hands and say "oh it was always there" which is somewhat avoiding the issue
We came from some source.
Very crudely if we came from a source less complex than ourselves you can categorise this as Evolution.
If we came from a source more complex than ourselves we might think of this as creation.
In the latter case where did this more complex entity comefrom - logically it must have come from a more complex source still and so on and so on
The only way out of this dillemma is to wave your hands and say "oh it was always there" which is somewhat avoiding the issue
Forgive me but I'm repeating vague recollections of things I've read over the years....
When Darwin came up with his evolution theory didn't he say that he hoped that one day the fossil record would prove him right? Which it hasn't done really.
There's a fair bit of evidence explaining differences within species but not differences between them.
There are millions of species across the globe so shouldn't there be the fossils of all the steps back to our common ancestors? Afterall, a rat didn't suddenly turn into a monkey, where are all the variations in between.
Even if we found just one from each and every step wouldn't we be knee deep in them?
Don't get me wrong, I still think it's less ludicrous an idea than us being the creation of a supreme being who exists outside of space and time.
When Darwin came up with his evolution theory didn't he say that he hoped that one day the fossil record would prove him right? Which it hasn't done really.
There's a fair bit of evidence explaining differences within species but not differences between them.
There are millions of species across the globe so shouldn't there be the fossils of all the steps back to our common ancestors? Afterall, a rat didn't suddenly turn into a monkey, where are all the variations in between.
Even if we found just one from each and every step wouldn't we be knee deep in them?
Don't get me wrong, I still think it's less ludicrous an idea than us being the creation of a supreme being who exists outside of space and time.
"How can we of evolved eyes if we didnt know there was anything to see, and teeth if we didnt know there was anything to chew."
I think you're thinking about it the wrong way round. Suppose that these early lifeforms of some sort didn't have eyes, and just scavenged the ground for food, without knowing where to look for the good food. Now suppose the most nutritious food is bright yellow, and the rest is red. Now, suppose that one animal in this species has a genetic mutation and has some very crude light-sensitive cells, like very early eyes. They could tell the good food from the bad stuff, and so are more likely to survive than the others. This can go on and on, and the same applies to everything else. You don't need to know that there's anything else to see, it just happens that there is once you have the ability to see.
Good video on the evolution of eyes.
I think you're thinking about it the wrong way round. Suppose that these early lifeforms of some sort didn't have eyes, and just scavenged the ground for food, without knowing where to look for the good food. Now suppose the most nutritious food is bright yellow, and the rest is red. Now, suppose that one animal in this species has a genetic mutation and has some very crude light-sensitive cells, like very early eyes. They could tell the good food from the bad stuff, and so are more likely to survive than the others. This can go on and on, and the same applies to everything else. You don't need to know that there's anything else to see, it just happens that there is once you have the ability to see.
Good video on the evolution of eyes.
Time out for a philosophy break:
If you seek to find evidence of and for the truth be prepared to sift through a lot of dirt. The value of knowledge is measured in the difficulties involved in attaining it and verifying it, no less than learning how to apply it and through this obtaining the benefits it has to offer. It is easy to forget what benefits we have derived from the knowledge we already have and reflecting on this may offer incentive to undertake the effort necessary to pursue more. The rewards are proportionate too and justify the means. Nothing less than certainty qualifies to earn the badge that only knowledge has any right to wear.
I question the legitimacy of questioning another individual�s need for certainty before donning the attire of factual information. We all have varying needs to obtain certainty but each person�s right to acquire the level of certainty they require should be respected.
Impatience lends itself to student and teacher with equal abandon and should be avoided when it impedes the quest to acquire or dispense knowledge.
There is valuable information offered in this thread and you have the right to accept or refuse any or all parts thereof. Do not bite the hand that feeds you when requesting knowledge, possibly the most generous gift any of us has ever been given or received. Yet knowledge exacts a price none the less, the ability and effort to understand and appreciate it and the reality from which those who have meet its demands before us have earned the ability and the gift of offering it to others who share in their appreciation of it.
I hope that I have evolved in my lifetime. Thank You!
If you seek to find evidence of and for the truth be prepared to sift through a lot of dirt. The value of knowledge is measured in the difficulties involved in attaining it and verifying it, no less than learning how to apply it and through this obtaining the benefits it has to offer. It is easy to forget what benefits we have derived from the knowledge we already have and reflecting on this may offer incentive to undertake the effort necessary to pursue more. The rewards are proportionate too and justify the means. Nothing less than certainty qualifies to earn the badge that only knowledge has any right to wear.
I question the legitimacy of questioning another individual�s need for certainty before donning the attire of factual information. We all have varying needs to obtain certainty but each person�s right to acquire the level of certainty they require should be respected.
Impatience lends itself to student and teacher with equal abandon and should be avoided when it impedes the quest to acquire or dispense knowledge.
There is valuable information offered in this thread and you have the right to accept or refuse any or all parts thereof. Do not bite the hand that feeds you when requesting knowledge, possibly the most generous gift any of us has ever been given or received. Yet knowledge exacts a price none the less, the ability and effort to understand and appreciate it and the reality from which those who have meet its demands before us have earned the ability and the gift of offering it to others who share in their appreciation of it.
I hope that I have evolved in my lifetime. Thank You!
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