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Do you know to what uses magnetism is being put in our ordinary lives? These I am experiencing:- curing most of my aches and panes, ridding my house water supply of most of the limescale in pipes,etc., getting the most heat from the gas supply to my central heating boiler and, the latest, I am trying out a small device that maintains the sharpness in my 1, 2, 3 or 4 bladed razor. Be aware, the strength of the magnets determines whether these benefits can be obtained. Also, there is no guarantee that full medical benefits will be felt - we don't know why not but there is a money back guarantee if they do not help you.
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Short for Rolls on the ground laughing my a*** off.
Sorry but these magnetic devices seem to have more elaborate claims every day - Hmm wonder why they're not prescribed on the national health?
I thought I'd heard all the snake-oil claims for magnets but keeping razors sharp is a good one! - Last I heard it was only pyramids that did that!
It's worth pointing out that your 'theraputic magnets are probably something like 100 - 200 mTesla, MRI scanners subject the body to the sort of magnetic fields that reach 2 Tesla and seem to have no noticeable affect.
Magnetic therapy has it's own little page on quack watch here:
http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/ QA/magnet.html
Sorry but these magnetic devices seem to have more elaborate claims every day - Hmm wonder why they're not prescribed on the national health?
I thought I'd heard all the snake-oil claims for magnets but keeping razors sharp is a good one! - Last I heard it was only pyramids that did that!
It's worth pointing out that your 'theraputic magnets are probably something like 100 - 200 mTesla, MRI scanners subject the body to the sort of magnetic fields that reach 2 Tesla and seem to have no noticeable affect.
Magnetic therapy has it's own little page on quack watch here:
http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/ QA/magnet.html
OK Jake, I respect your opinion. Let me tell you about the simple demonstration that is carried out to show the power of magnets with regards to getting maximum heat from gas, and I have witnessed this. A small canister of gas was lit and placed under the open hand at a bearable level, then the magnetic device was placed around the canister. Immediately I had to raise my hand higher from the flame because of the increased heat. Also, Corgi engineers have recognised that extra heat is produced so that my boiler settings can be reduced. Another example, animals have experienced enormous relief by using the devices. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Unless you can prove that any jiggery-pokery is being practised in these examples, it might be better to keep an open mind!
Maybe I've been a bit agressive but you've posted this in Science - had you done so in Body and Soul I'd be a bit more gentle.
The thing is that Science likes to have a mechanism - a suggested reason why an observed event might occur. That doesn't mean that unexplicable phenomina do not eventually end up getting incorporated into conventional wisdom but it makes the stakes that much higher.
Extrordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
When the claims seem to contravene existing knowledge that proof has to be very extraordinary indeed!
The sharpness of a razor is due to it's thickness - in order for a magnet to sharpen it it would need to remove atoms from it, and in a selective way too! This breaks a number of well known and long standing physical laws.
As you so rightly say the proof of the pudding is in the eating.
Car manufacturers would sell their grannies to get one up on the competition, they perform exhaustive tests on technical enhancements - Does BMW use magnetic fuel devices? No? Mercedes? Rolls-Royce? Ferrari?
I don't know whether you are just an enthusiastic user of these products or are involved in seperating people from their cash for them. If it's the latter you need to be aware that trading standards are taking a legal interest in the claims that are being put forward for them here for example:
http://www.oft.gov.uk/News/Press+releases/2006 /47-06.htm
The thing is that Science likes to have a mechanism - a suggested reason why an observed event might occur. That doesn't mean that unexplicable phenomina do not eventually end up getting incorporated into conventional wisdom but it makes the stakes that much higher.
Extrordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
When the claims seem to contravene existing knowledge that proof has to be very extraordinary indeed!
The sharpness of a razor is due to it's thickness - in order for a magnet to sharpen it it would need to remove atoms from it, and in a selective way too! This breaks a number of well known and long standing physical laws.
As you so rightly say the proof of the pudding is in the eating.
Car manufacturers would sell their grannies to get one up on the competition, they perform exhaustive tests on technical enhancements - Does BMW use magnetic fuel devices? No? Mercedes? Rolls-Royce? Ferrari?
I don't know whether you are just an enthusiastic user of these products or are involved in seperating people from their cash for them. If it's the latter you need to be aware that trading standards are taking a legal interest in the claims that are being put forward for them here for example:
http://www.oft.gov.uk/News/Press+releases/2006 /47-06.htm
OK Jake, I understand what you are getting at but I can assure you that I am a ordinary retired citizen who is aware of scams, etc., but further to what I have already said, I have experienced these products for five years and they have been assessed by others more qualified than I am, although I had a career in the teaching profession for 40 years. I have heard of a nurse in a hospice agreeing for the medical use of magnetism to relieve severe pain in some of her patients and can I tell, not remind, you that more and more hospitals are using these products to the benefit of their grateful patients. I think these discussions might go on for quite a time when more people become aware of the help these products can give. Cheers.
When I first read your question, I thought you were joking.
Your story about "getting maximum heat from gas" doesn't make any sense at all.
Heat is energy. You can only get a certain amount of energy from burning fuel, and the only way to increase it is to burn more fuel. A magnet cannot increase the heat because it does not produce any energy.
You say that you are aware of scams, but if you really believe that a magnet can generate enough energy to reduce your heating bills, then you must get scammed often ...
Your story about "getting maximum heat from gas" doesn't make any sense at all.
Heat is energy. You can only get a certain amount of energy from burning fuel, and the only way to increase it is to burn more fuel. A magnet cannot increase the heat because it does not produce any energy.
You say that you are aware of scams, but if you really believe that a magnet can generate enough energy to reduce your heating bills, then you must get scammed often ...
Hi Space,
I think there are many firmly held beliefs we may have to reconsider as developments continue. The firm concerned in these products have had their work independently tested and results confirmed. Their products have been accepted by medical committees and used in hospitals and clinics. A heating engineer who came to service our system tried to get his firm to take on the application of these other attachments as an extra to offer their customers but it wasn't taken up. The sales of these products are increasing all the time and all by recommendation, not by advertising. It may be very difficult for some experts to accept the results that have been achieved.
I think there are many firmly held beliefs we may have to reconsider as developments continue. The firm concerned in these products have had their work independently tested and results confirmed. Their products have been accepted by medical committees and used in hospitals and clinics. A heating engineer who came to service our system tried to get his firm to take on the application of these other attachments as an extra to offer their customers but it wasn't taken up. The sales of these products are increasing all the time and all by recommendation, not by advertising. It may be very difficult for some experts to accept the results that have been achieved.
CT wrote "Can you show a link to this evidence. Or show some results of these tests. Or is everything just word of mouth? "
With respect Hugh, supplying a sales representative's phone number is not really offering any evidence at all. I am extremely skeptical about the value and efficacy of these magnetic 'wonder' products.
With respect Hugh, supplying a sales representative's phone number is not really offering any evidence at all. I am extremely skeptical about the value and efficacy of these magnetic 'wonder' products.
I entered my information this morning prepared to share something which has benefited me and my household for the last five years. I have no axe to grind, if you don't wish to make further enquiries to share them for yourself that's up to you but if you make that contact the rep will willingly send you details of the products and written scientific evidence to back the claims besides evidence from the general public about the remarkable difference they can make to them and their pets. It's up to you.
Please don't take offence Hugh, it's just that as jake-the-peg referred to, you have posted this question in Science, maybe if you had posted in Body & soul you would get a more sympathetic response. You suggest among other things that magnets are going to bring life back to blunt razor blades, I remain skeptical, and would need to see proof. Sorry if we appear a bit 'sniffy', we are a nice bunch really!
That's OK. I think this is connected to science. Before all this happened the only connection with magnets I had was schoolboy experiments and fastening metals things together. I am not taking any offence. A few years ago I wouldn't have considered there was any truth in all this but you must be aware that the medical profession are gradually coming round to the idea that magnotherapy has something to offer some patients. Get the information you want by making the phone call and be sent more detail through the post. What have you got to lose!
There seem to be a lot of people out there who think this is a 'wind-up'. Yesterday, at this time, I thought I would share some of my experiences in these matters with others who might benefit. All I will say now is, for more information than I have to hand , let Google search for Bioflow's website. I am well retired and would expect to have serious arthritic problems by now but I haven't which was stopped, more or less in its tracks, when I started to wear a magnetic bracelet five years ago. Unlike the other products I have mentioned, some people do not respond to them, like my wife unfortunately but there is a money back guarantee. I think I have said enough about magno-therapy so I will leave you all to investigate for yourselves, if you are sufficiently interested to do so. Cheers.
The motive: Money back (less 15%) guarantees make mounds of cash for unscrupulous snake oil vendors.
The crime: The "magnetic" attraction between those who sell and buy wishful "thinking" is very "real".
There you have it folks Science or voodoo the choice is yours.
The crime: The "magnetic" attraction between those who sell and buy wishful "thinking" is very "real".
There you have it folks Science or voodoo the choice is yours.
